logo
episode-header-image
Jun 2018
1h 32m

How Des Linden Won Boston: Lessons on Bi...

Rich Roll
About this episode



“Some days it just flows and I feel like I’m born to do this, other days it feels like I’m trudging through hell. Every day I make the choice to show up and see what I’ve got, and to try and be better. My advice: keep showing up.”

Des Linden



On April 16, 2018, Des Linden captured the hearts of millions the world over by becoming the first American female in 33 years to win the prestigious Boston Marathon.

It wasn't just that she won.

It's how she won.

You see, this wasn't supposed to be Des' year. It wasn't supposed to be Des' race. Her preparation wasn't ideal. She didn't feel great. And doubt crept in. On top of everything, the weather conditions were unprecedented. So Des Linden decided to do what nobody does — sacrifice herself and her personal performance for the benefit of her friends. She famously pulled up when Shalane Flanagan detoured to the porta potty to pace her back to the group. Then selflessly repeated the gesture to help Molly Huddle bridge a separation gap.

These are not things you do when you are in it to win it.

But Des Linden is no ordinary athlete. And this was no ordinary race. At mile 22, Des surged out of nowhere, impossibly depositing her into the lead. In the biggest race of her life — on a day when Mother Nature and her icy rains and 25mph headwinds proved the biggest antagonist — she finally claimed the precious victory that had always previously eluded her.

Today the 2-time Olympian shares her story.

How she did it. What got her there. What it all means. And what's next.



This is a conversation with Des and her long-time manager Josh Cox — the U.S. 50K record holder and former elite marathoner in his own right — about a storied athletic career that until now lacked just one thing: a major marathon victory.

It's about what this particular victory means not just to Des, but to American women's marathoning and running in general.

It's about the mindset that propelled her career to this historic moment.

It's about leveraging past failures as an opportunity to grow — because failure is simply an action, not an identity.

But more than anything, this is a conversation about the power of showing up. Because when you simply keep showing up for that which you love, you make room for the miracle.

Applicable in running. Perhaps even more applicable in life.

I sincerely hope you enjoy the exchange.

For the visually inclined, you can watch our entire conversation on YouTube here: http://bit.ly/richanddes

Peace + Plants,



P.S. – Photo credit for images of Des courtesy of Carrie Cox.





Listen, Watch & Subscribe


Apple Podcasts | YouTube | Soundcloud | Stitcher | GooglePlay

Thanks to this week’s sponsors







On Running: Born in the Swiss Alps, On Running shoes feature the first patented cushioning system which is activated only ...



See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Up next
May 2022
Dr. Will Bulsiewicz On All Things Microbiome: Heal Your Gut, Sidestep Disease & Thrive
One of the most popular guests in the history of this podcast, Dr. Will Bulsiewicz ‘Dr. B' joined me back on episode #538 for a deep dive on the gut and honing our immune systems. Today we dive even deeper with a comprehensive investigation of the microbiome, why it’s important, ... Show More
3h 3m
May 2022
Roll On: Kristian Blummenfelt, The Ministry of Truth, & Sustainable Self-Growth
Welcome to another edition of ‘Roll On’, wherein Rich Roll and journalist & author Adam Skolnick riff on matters of interest across sports, culture, entertainment, and self-betterment.  Specific topics discussed in today’s episode include:Adam's latest NYT piece A Free Diver’s Tr ... Show More
1h 46m
May 2022
Gemma Newman, MD On Optimizing Hormone Health
Today’s episode explores nutrition, lifestyle  and overall well-being with a particular focus on hormone health – particularly (but not exclusively) women’s hormone health, aging, and reproductive care – with Gemma Newman., MD. A Senior Partner at a family medicine practice in th ... Show More
2h 8m
Recommended Episodes
Sep 2022
BONUS | Why Running A Marathon Will Change Your Life with Hugh Brasher
RE-RELEASE: This episode first aired in October 2021. To enter to ballot for 2023 click here http://www.londonmarathon2023.com/ballot This Sunday 3rd October, I’ll be one of 50,000 people taking to the streets to run the Virgin Money London Marathon. So, in preparation for what I ... Show More
1h 54m
Aug 2021
Courtney Dauwalter: Mindset Secrets From The World's Best Ultrarunner
We tend to think of high-performance athletes as superhuman—a rare species with extraordinary strength and a preternatural ability to suffer. But if you ask today’s guest what distinguishes the elite athlete and everyone else, she’ll say nothing. For her, the secret to high-level ... Show More
1h 46m
Sep 2021
Why Running A Marathon Will Change Your Life with Hugh Brasher #204
This Sunday 3rd October, I’ll be one of 40,000 people taking to the streets to run the Virgin Money London Marathon. So, in preparation for what I’m told will be a life-changing day, I spoke to its Event Director, Hugh Brasher. But this episode is more than a conversation about r ... Show More
1h 55m
Jul 2021
Lindsey Vonn: DISCOVER Your Potential, Destroy Self-Doubt & Develop Habits for SUCCESS EP 1132
Today Lewis sits down with Lindsey Vonn, the most decorated American ski racer in history and is widely regarded as one of the greatest of all time, to talk about Lindsey's life after her career and how her injuries never stopped her from getting back up and trying again!She ente ... Show More
58m 47s
Nov 2021
45. RUNNERS & CHEERERS: Marathon Life with Shalane Flanagan
1. How a marathon is an analogy for life: the danger of comparison, the ride of emotions and self-doubt, that love is fuel, and that the world needs both runners and cheerers.  2. The question Abby kept asking herself throughout the race—and why she’s still wearing her marathon m ... Show More
1h 9m
Aug 2022
From Prison Guard to Endurance Star: Ken Rideout on Mindset, Non-Negotiables & Self-Accountability
The heart and soul of this podcast is personal transformation—and today’s story of metamorphosis is one of the most compelling, improbable, and inspirational tales I have ever heard. Narrating this epic saga is Ken Rideout, a guy who has transcended a litany of seemingly insurmou ... Show More
2h 16m
Nov 2023
Overcoming Adversity: Sean-Michael Doty of TrAk Athletics on Creating a Resilient Mindset in the Face of Setbacks
Episode 161 of the Fit Father Project Podcast is all about overcoming adversity and creating a resilient mindset in the face of setbacks.In this episode, you’ll meet Sean-Michael Doty, a fitness expert and the general manager and part-owner of TrAk Athletics, an adult strength an ... Show More
43m 24s
Aug 2022
Centenarian Mike Fremont On Longevity Secrets, Breaking World Running Records & How To Thrive
Today we explore health, fitness, longevity & the pursuit of meaning through the lived experience of a human who has been walking planet Earth for a full 100 years. Meet centenarian Mike Fremont, a retired engineer turned climate activist and life-long athlete who holds a slew of ... Show More
1h 4m
Dec 2021
RAAM Victor Leah Goldstein Turns Pain Into Fuel: Life Pivots & The Power of A No Quit, No Limit Attitude
What does it take to achieve the impossible? Don’t set limits. And never quit. Ever. The full embodiment of this ethos, today’s guest has never met an obstacle she couldn’t overcome, transcending every limit ever placed upon her. Her secret? Never give pain a voice. An extraordin ... Show More
2h 2m
Jan 2019
You Can’t Hurt David Goggins: Going Beyond Motivation & Why Mindset Is Everything
“You have to go to war with yourself before you can find peace” David Goggins I can think of no better guest to usher in 2019 than the mighty one himself. Incontrovertibly the most inspirational person I have ever met, today David Goggins returns for his second turn on the podcas ... Show More
2h 24m