In this powerful mini replay, positive psychology practitioner and author Jodi Wellman joins Alice for a conversation about mortality, motivation, and the brave work of actually living our lives instead of waiting for the perfect moment. Jodi — known for her viral TED Talk, her book You Only Die Once, and her work at Four Thousand Mondays — explains why death is a great motivator, and why many of us need the uncomfortable truth of our finiteness to finally stop procrastinating the things that matter most.
Jodi shares how her mother’s early death shaped her philosophy, and why the reminder you are dying isn’t morbid — it’s honest. She breaks down the psychological insight behind death as motivation, the research that shows we act more boldly when we acknowledge our limits, and why “there’s no greater motivator than death” when we’re stuck in fear.
From reloading a stapler in a corporate job she knew she’d outgrown, to making the leap into coaching, to leaving a successful business partnership to build 4000 Mondays, Jodi explains how we can recognize the moment when procrastination turns into self-betrayal — and how to reclaim our agency before regret piles up.
This episode is for anyone who keeps waiting to feel confident, ready, or “better” before making a move; for anyone asking is death a good motivator? or wondering why fear feels louder than desire. Jodi’s answer is simple: motivation rarely arrives. We create it by acting.
If you’ve ever needed a reminder that your Mondays are ticking down, that your dreams won’t wait, or that you only die once, this conversation will wake you up in the best possible way.
Resources & Links
Book: You Only Die Once https://www.amazon.com/You-Only-Die-Once-Regrets/dp/0316574279
Website: https://fourthousandmondays.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/fourthousandmondays/?hl=en
TED Talk: Jodi Wellman on how facing death helps us live, https://www.ted.com/embed/jodi_wellman_how_death_can_bring_you_back_to_life
Chapters
00:00 The Wake-Up Call: Losing Her Mother Early
01:29 Fear, Procrastination, and the Self-Talk That Finally Works
02:40 Why Positive Psychology Still Needs a Little Pain
03:53 Denying Death, Compromised Inner Lives
04:33 Playing Small to Avoid Rejection
06:40 The Stapler Moment: Staying Too Long in Work That Drains You
08:58 Why Confidence Never Arrives First
10:11 Studying Memento Mori & Starting Four Thousand Mondays
11:25 The Moment She Committed to Leaving Corporate
12:20 Choosing the Thesis That Changed Everything
13:08 Community, Courage, and Feeling More Alive
14:33 Rejection in Real Time: The TV Project She’s Avoiding
16:59 Eating Rejection for Breakfast
18:04 Why the Sweaty Rejections Matter Most
19:54 Alice’s Big Audacious Rejection Goal
20:46 Where to Find Jodi & What to Read First