What if spiritual awakening isn't about escaping your humanity—but becoming grounded enough to hear something deeper within it?
In this conversation, Fleet sits down with angel expert, ordained minister, spiritual teacher, and author Alisha Das to explore angels, intuition, surrender, trauma, and the challenge of discerning genuine spiritual guidance from the voice of our own conditioning.
Raised in a highly scientific family and originally studying pre-med biology, Alisha describes having unusual intuitive and spiritual experiences from early childhood. Rather than seeing science and spirituality as opposites, she shares how decades of spiritual practice, psychology, and personal inquiry led her to an approach that embraces both skepticism and direct experience.
Together, Fleet and Alisha explore one of the great paradoxes of the spiritual path: How do we surrender to something greater while still taking radical responsibility for our lives? Alisha shares the remarkable story of Robert, a man who spent 24 years in prison and chose surrender rather than returning to violence—a decision she describes as simultaneously an act of divine grace and profound personal agency.
The conversation also examines spiritual bypassing and “spiritual materialism”—the ways our ego can co-opt even profound spiritual experiences. Alisha explains why trauma, emotional patterns, and psychological conditioning need to be addressed alongside spiritual practice, and offers a simple framework for evaluating inner guidance: Is it loving? Is it wise? Does it take us beyond our habitual fear and emotional reactivity?Ultimately, this episode is about much more than angels. It's an exploration of how we can remain open to mystery while cultivating discernment, reconnect with our innate goodness without making ourselves “special,” and allow spirituality to help us become more present, grounded, compassionate, and fully engaged with our lives.
Key Timestamps
Introduction — Alisha's background as an angel expert and spiritual teacher
Science Meets Spirituality — Growing up in a medical family and experiencing angels from childhood
Finding Your Divine Heritage — Why Alisha wants people to develop their own connection to the divine
Surrender & Radical Responsibility — Can personal agency and divine grace coexist?
Robert's Story — A life-or-death act of surrender inside Folsom Prison
What Does It Mean to Communicate With Angels? — Making sense of experiences beyond ordinary thought
Our “Angelic Nature” — Connecting with goodness, compassion, service, and divinity within ourselves
Divine Guidance or Ego? — How to tell genuine intuition from fear, conditioning, and wishful thinkingPsychology, Trauma & Spirituality — Why inner healing and spiritual practice need to work together
The Danger of Spiritual Materialism — When spiritual experiences become another way for the ego to feel special
Why Spirituality Should Make Us More Grounded — “Chop wood and carry water”
Presence Beyond Words — What Alisha learned from conversations with spiritual leaders
Spiritual Connection as a Path of Healing — Integrating psychological and spiritual approaches
The Biggest Misconception About Angels — Why Alisha says angelic experiences may be subtler than we expect
Your Angelic Ancestry — Alisha's book, resources, and Live Your Love podcast
Memorable Quotes
“Our mind is a great servant, a terrible master.” — Alisha Das
“For a tree to go taller, it has to sink its roots deeper.” — Alisha Das
“Ordinariness is the prior condition to God.” — Alisha Das, quoting her teacher
“It’s all an inside job.” —...
