Aug 4
1h 3m
Twenty years of digital marketing created something of a monster: companies poured enormous investment into analytics teams, MarTech stacks, media capabilities, and data infrastructure—and then watched all those functions march off into their respective silos to work really, really hard at producing activity rather than impact. Rusty Rahmer, founder of Starize AI and author of Working As Designed, joined Michael, Julie, and Val to dig into why that happened, why it's still happening, and what it actually takes to flip the shovel over and use the right end. Along the way, Rusty—who Val correctly identified early as a spontaneous analogy machine—explained why customer journey maps on walls are basically the statistical average American life that literally nobody lives, why waffle fries are structurally superior to ridged chips (and what that has to do with cross-functional team design), and why the most important question a marketing leader can ask a room full of executives is also the one most likely to be met with complete silence.
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