Rethinking pain changes outcomes.

Treating tissues alone leaves people behind.

In this clinician-focused conversation, Mark Kargela flips the script with Pete Moore (Pain Toolkit) to unpack what modern, human-centered pain care looks like in real clinics.

You’ll learn:

Why a tissue-only approach misses 10–30% of cases—and what to do instead
Practical ways to “shut up and listen” to the story beneath the pain
How stress, HPA-axis load, IBS/migraine, and sensitization intertwine with pain
A workable “driving instructor” model for self-management and shared expertise
How to use patient narratives to align biology with lived experience
Education that actually lands—with patients and with students/colleagues
Where AI/tech can help (and where it can de-humanize care)

If you’re ready to move beyond procedures and protocols toward care that restores function and confidence, this episode is for you. Subscribe for more evidence-aware, practical conversations. Want to go deeper? Check the links below for Pete’s resources, upcoming self-management events, and the Modern Pain Podcast.

The Pain Toolkit

Learn how to deliver this type of care - Pain Practice OS

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