In this episode, Morgan sits down with serial entrepreneur, tech founder, and sales obsessive Darren Lee to talk about building multiple seven-figure businesses, why most AI is garbage, and what actually separates the people who scale from those who stay stuck. Darren shares how he lost over €100K hiring 60 people in a year, the brutal truth about A players vs B players, and why the best startups have no money. They also get into running away from pain vs chasing goals, decision-making frameworks for when your business gets bigger, working with your partner every single day, and why learning sales is the only thing that matters.Episode Timestamps0:00 Trailer0:48 Introduction: Meet Darren1:31 What is Aura?4:45 Starting a New Company9:24 Most AI is Garbage15:45 Systems Thinking Background18:23 Inputs, Outputs, Outcomes20:20 Disadvantaged Backgrounds Win24:07 The Economy Flight Story27:18 Someone Dumber is Winning32:51 Lost €100K Hiring 60 People33:47 A Players vs B Players36:17 Building a Hiring Engine48:50 One-Way vs Two-Way Doors53:24 Mentors and Category Kings57:15 Working With Your Partner1:01:02 Ten Year Vision1:03:00 Advice to His 18-Year-Old SelfAbout DarrenDarren Lee is a serial entrepreneur, tech founder, and sales systems expert. He runs multiple seven-figure businesses including a media company, education business, and Aura, an AI-powered sales management platform. With a background in engineering and startups, Darren is obsessed with process design, hiring A players, and building scalable systems. Based in Bali, he works alongside his wife Elise and has built a reputation for helping coaches and agency owners scale through systematic sales processes. This is his first time on the podcast.Connect with Darrenhttps://www.instagram.com/darrenlee.ks/?hl=en Connect with Mehttps://www.youtube.com/@morgantnelsonhttps://www.instagram.com/morgantnelson👇👇 Join my Free Skool Community 👇👇https://www.skool.com/dream-out-loud/about?ref=b30af20dcf024f8f9eaf71bd232e6311Join the Dream Out Loud Facebook Communityhttps://bit.ly/49QXClWDownload the FREE Life By Design Productivity Plannerhttps://planner.morgantnelson.com/optinplanner