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Dec 2025
54m 48s

When Loving Means Letting Go with Jen Ha...

CENTER FOR ACTION AND CONTEMPLATION
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What do we do when life unravels in painful ways — like navigating an unexpected divorce?  On today's episode of Learning How to See, Carmen and Brian are joined by New York Times Bestselling author Jen Hatmaker. With great humor and authenticity, Jen takes us through the vulnerable experience of sharing her story, the transformation she went through after ... Show More
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