Ben Jamal, director of the Palestine Solidarity Campaign, joins UNAPOLOGETIC for a wide-ranging conversation about who has been complicit for the genocide in Gaza, the global shift in rhetoric, and what it takes to organise 20 months of continous mass protest across the UK.
He unpacks the gap between what Western governments say and what they do - from condemning Israeli actions as “indefensible” while continuing to arm them, to criminalising peaceful protesters demanding justice. Jamal also reflects on his arrest and upcoming trial, the police’s systematic efforts to repress the movement, and why those tactics have failed to break the solidarity movement.
In deeply personal moments, Jamal shares the story of his Palestinian father, his own political awakening, and what it has meant to sustain this movement through exhaustion, grief and hope.
We ask: What does the future look like for Gaza? For Palestinian liberation? And for a world that has tolerated so much horror in real time?
Chapters:
00:00 Intro
03:12 Shifts in media and government
10:01 Words mean nothing without action
15:30 Divestment wins and public pressure
21:12 The arrest: what happened
27:03 How police target protests
32:47 BBC march and police trap
38:55 Criminalised for peaceful protest
44:11 Holding a movement together
49:35 Building a resistance community
54:20 Ben’s Palestinian family story
1:00:07 Organising through trauma and grief
1:05:05 Family, kids and solidarity
1:10:10 What happens to Gaza now
1:14:58 Will Palestinians be erased?
1:20:10 Movement grows through genocide
1:26:30 What keeps Ben going
1:32:10 Final reflections