RBC’s Markets in Motion is the weekly podcast from Lori Calvasina, Head of US Equity Strategy at RBC Capital Markets, highlighting her latest views on the US equity market. In this special edition, Lori is joined by her colleagues Amy Wu Silverman (RBC Derivatives Strategist) and Ben Fisher (RBC Midwest Sales, who works closely with the firm's macro strategists). They discuss the current, messy state of the US equity market and the pickles investors are finding themselves in. Ben moderates the discussion, which was recorded live at the RBC EPIC Conference in NYC on June 4th, 2025.
The four big topics covered:
- First, where Lori and Amy see US equity markets and volatility headed. Lori describes herself as neutral and reviews her new YE 2025 S&P 500 target of 5,730, which is driven by her valuation and earnings work and a macro backdrop that looks a bit better than it did in early April, but not as strong as it was in January. Amy highlights how both the right and left tails have gotten fatter recently, and runs through what she sees as the potential catalysts for a pick-up in volatility.
- Second, Amy and Lori's latest thoughts on investor sentiment and positioning. Amy highlights differences in recent behavior from retail investors (who were buying the dip) and institutional investors (who were more cautious and engaged in derisking and degrossing). She points out that hedging on the institutional side has not been short term in nature, due to uncertainty about when the hard data will deteriorate. Meanwhile, Lori notes that many of the investors she speaks with are in a holding pattern, waiting to see what happens next, and walks through a number of key questions that investors will be looking for the answers to in the next reporting season. She also highlights the messiness of recent investor sentiment and positioning data, which fell but never completely collapsed for institutional investors and has been rebounding rapidly after collapsing for retail investors.
- Third, Lori and Amy's thoughts on some of the biggest positioning trades in equities of late. Lori highlights why she sees the tug of war between mega cap Growth and Value continuing, the intersection of the mega cap Growth trade and US exceptionalism, and how tariffs opened a door to curiosity about regions outside the US that will be difficult to close. Meanwhile, Amy highlights increased activity regarding trades on China and Emerging Markets and how she believes that her clients are the most Euro curious she's seen in quite some time.
- Fourth, thoughts regarding the impact of the bond market on US equities. Lori runs through why 5% on 10-year yields would be a stumbling block for US equity market performance, while Amy highlights the potential for the inverse correlation between bonds and equities to break down as a key risk to monitor.