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Jun 4
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Episode 226: Why Every Product Team Need...

Melissa Perri
About this episode

In this episode, I sit down with Christina Wodtke, a professor at Stanford University, for the second time on the show, to explore the intersection of game design and product management. Christina shares her insights on how principles from game design can transform product development processes, making them more engaging and effective. We also dive into the role of AI in shaping the future of product management education and the unique challenges and opportunities it presents.

Christina discusses her approach to integrating AI into her curriculum and how it's helping future product leaders understand the real-world implications of evolving technologies. Together, we uncover the importance of balancing user experience with business objectives and how the two can coexist to create products that are not only functional but also meaningful.

Don't miss this insightful conversation that bridges the gap between creativity and strategy in product management!


You’ll hear us talk about:

  • 05:33 - The Power of Engagement in Game Design

Christina explains how game design principles such as engagement and emotional experience can be applied to product design to fulfill user needs and expectations.

  • 12:25 - Continuous Feedback Integration

The importance of regular and early user feedback in the design process and how it prevents teams from becoming too attached to their initial ideas.

  • 41:08 - The Reality of AI in Product Management

Discussing the gap between AI's potential and its current capabilities, and how product managers can effectively leverage AI while focusing on core product values.


Episode resources:

Christina on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/christinawodtke/

Christina’s blog: https://eleganthack.com/

Check our new course: https://productinstitute.com/p/mastering-product-strategy-overview


Timestamps:

00:00 Introduction

03:16 Dear Melissa

06:35 Game design and emotional engagement

13:36 Balancing goals and ethics in product design

18:14 Building habits of testing and scaffolding feedback

22:30 How AI is changing prototyping and team dynamics

28:53 The role of expertise in an AI-powered world

40:15 Getting into product management in the age of AI

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