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Apr 2025
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How to Outrank LLMs, Bypass AI Agents, a...

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About this episode

In a twist that flips the format, today’s Marketing Trends episode puts longtime host Stephanie in the guest seat as Lacey Peace — the show’s behind-the-scenes force for nearly a decade — grabs the mic.

 

What unfolds is a no-BS conversation about how AI is dismantling the old playbook, why cold emails are basically spam of the past, and what marketers need to do now to stay relevant. Stephanie unpacks why Account-Based Experiences (ABX) — not just ABM — are the new battleground for meaningful engagement, and why trust, speed, and human connection are the real growth levers in an AI-saturated world.

 

From digital buyer agents and decentralized discovery to building content that LLMs can’t summarize, this episode delivers sharp takes on where marketing is headed — and who’s already falling behind.

 

And if you're curious about cold texting, naming dogs after food, or whether mascots actually move the needle… don’t miss the lightning-fast Relevant or Irrelevant round.

 

Key Moments:

 

00:00 From 2,000 Interviews to the Hot Seat

01:08 How AI Is Reshaping B2B Marketing

02:25 The Collapse of Traditional Tactics

03:43 AI Disrupting Email & Search Marketing

04:39 Why ABX Is the Future of B2B Strategy

08:54 AI Buyer Agents Are Coming — Fast

13:32 Trust, Community & Decentralized Buying

17:07 ABM vs. ABX: What's the Real Difference?

21:34 Smarter Metrics for Long-Term Growth

23:13 LLMs vs. Google: The New Search Shift

24:46 Building Content LLMs Can’t Summarize

27:00 Enterprise Entertainment as a Marketing Play

30:39 Niche Content That Converts in B2B

33:50 Relevant or Irrelevant? Rapid-Fire Trends

 

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