Episode 139
I spoke with Evan Ratliff about:
* Shell Game, Evan’s new podcast, where he creates an AI voice clone of himself and sets it loose.
* The end of the Longform Podcast and his thoughts on the state of journalism.
Enjoy!
Evan is an award-winning investigative journalist, bestselling author, podcast host, and entrepreneur. He’s the author of the The Mastermind: A True Story of Murder, Empire, and a New Kind of Crime Lord; the writer and host of the hit podcasts Shell Game and Persona: The French Deception; and the cofounder of The Atavist Magazine, Pop-Up Magazine, and the Longform Podcast. As a writer, he’s a two-time National Magazine Award finalist. As an editor and producer, he’s a two-time Emmy nominee and National Magazine Award winner.
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Outline:
* (00:00) Intro
* (01:05) Evan’s ambitious and risky projects
* (04:45) Wearing different personas as a journalist
* (08:31) Boundaries and acceptability in using voice agents
* (11:42) Impacts on other people
* (13:12) “The kids these days” — how will new technologies impact younger people?
* (17:12) Evan’s approach to children’s technology use
* (20:05) Techno-solutionism and improvements in medicine, childcare
* (24:15) Evan’s perspective on simulations of people
* (27:05) On motivations for building tech startups
* (30:42) Evan’s outlook for Shell Game’s impact and motivations for his work
* (36:05) How Evan decided to write for a career
* (40:02) How voice agents might impact our conversations
* (43:52) Evan’s experience with Longform and podcasting
* (47:15) Perspectives on doing good interviews
* (52:11) Mimicking and inspiration, developing style
* (57:15) Writers and their motivations, the state of longform journalism
* (1:06:15) The internet and writing
* (1:09:41) On the ending of Longform
* (1:19:48) Outro
Links:
* Shell Game, Evan’s new podcast