logo
episode-header-image
Jul 2024
3m 22s

Investors Eye Reactions to US Presidenti...

MORGAN STANLEY
About this episode

Our Global Head of Fixed Income recaps the aftermath of the first U.S. presidential debate, and how markets may react if forthcoming poll data shows a meaningful shift in the race.


----- Transcript -----


Welcome to Thoughts on the Market. I'm Michael Zezas, Morgan Stanley's Global Head of Fixed Income and Thematic Research. Along with my colleagues bringing you a variety of perspectives, today I'll be talking about the US elections and its impact on markets.

It's Tuesday, July 2nd at 10:30am in New York. 

For months, investors have been asking us when markets will start paying attention to the US presidential election. Well, we think that time arrived with last week’s Presidential debate. 

The media coverage that followed revealed that many Democratic party officials became concerned about President Biden’s ability to win the November election. This understandably led many to ask if the race for the White House had meaningfully changed; If it was no longer a close one – and if so, what would that mean for markets that might have to start pricing in the impacts of a Trump Presidency. 

On the first question: While we think it's too early to conclude that the race is no longer a close one, we expect some data in the next week or two that could clarify this. The few polls that have been released following the debate show that voters are increasingly concerned about Biden’s ability to win; but they also show a level of support for Biden similar to what he enjoyed before the debates. 

What we haven’t seen yet is a set of high-quality polls gauging swing state voter preferences. And even modest deterioration in Biden’s support there could meaningfully boost Trump’s prospects. That’s because, going into the debate, polls showed former President Trump with a small but consistent lead in national and key swing state polls. 

Nothing outside the polling margin of error. But it still suggested that for President Biden to improve his odds of winning, he’d be served well by having a strong debate performance that moved the polls more in his favor.  

It doesn’t appear that this has happened, and if polls show movement in the other direction for Biden, it would be fair to think of Trump as something of a favorite. But only for the time being. There’d still be time and catalysts for the race to change – including another scheduled debate in September. 

If we do end up with a race where Former President Trump is a more clear favorite, even if just for a short time, there could be reflections in the market. As we’ve previously discussed, a Trump win increases the chances of more of the expiring tax cuts being extended. The benefits of those cuts most clearly accrue to key sectors like energy and telecom, so there’s potential outperformance there.  

In fixed-income – a steeper US Treasury yield curve is an outcome our macro strategy team is particularly attuned to. That’s because a Trump presidency brings greater uncertainty about future fiscal policy, which could be reflected in relatively higher yields for longer maturity bonds. But it also increases the chances of policy choices that create near term pressure on economic growth that could push shorter maturity yields lower. This includes higher tariffs and tighter immigration policies. 

So bottom line, the markets are paying attention. And the race is sure to have many more twists and turns. We’ll keep you updated on how we’re navigating it. 

Thanks for listening. If you enjoy the podcast, please leave us a review wherever you listen and share Thoughts on the Market with a friend or colleague today.

Up next
Yesterday
Are Foreign Investors Fleeing U.S. Assets?
Our Chief Cross-Asset Strategist Serena Tang discusses whether demand for U.S. stocks has fallen and where fund flows are surging. Read more insights from Morgan Stanley.----- Transcript -----Serena Tang: Welcome to Thoughts on the Market. I’m Serena Tang, Morgan Stanley’s Chief ... Show More
4m 56s
Jul 8
How AI Is Disrupting Defense
Arushi Agarwal from the European Sustainability Strategy team and Aerospace & Defense Analyst Ross Law unpack what a reshaped defense industry means for sustainability, ethics and long-term investment strategy.Read more insights from Morgan Stanley.----- Transcript -----Ross Law: ... Show More
9m 33s
Jul 7
Have U.S. Consumers Shaken Off Tariff Concerns?
The American consumer isn’t simply pulling back. They are changing the way they spend – and save. Our U.S. Thematic and Equity Strategist Michelle Weaver digs into the data. Read more insights from Morgan Stanley.----- Transcript -----Michelle Weaver: Welcome to Thoughts on the M ... Show More
4m 15s
Recommended Episodes
Nov 2024
Count down to the US election | MarketTalk: What’s up today? | Swissquote
On Friday, the US announced a meagre 12K nonfarm job additions last month, the manufacturing and private nonfarm payrolls printed negative numbers. But the bright spot was that unemployment remained steady at 4.1% - suggesting that the NFP number probably took a one-off hit, and ... Show More
11m 13s
Oct 2024
Spotlight on the US Elections
Three big things you need to know: First, our survey results, which are bottom-up in nature and driven by domestic policy views, imply that the event is relevant to US equity markets, but perhaps less so than some market participants may believe. For our US analysts, a Republican ... Show More
6m 30s
Nov 2024
Trump’s victory sparks US equity rally
With Mr Trump confirmed as the next US President and a Republican sweep priced in as a 94% probability, US equities, especially those likely to benefit from his policy changes, took off yesterday. The rally was echoed by the US dollar and Bitcoin. US Treasuries sold off on expect ... Show More
17m 36s
Oct 2024
What do bond markets know about the election?
As betting markets and polls begin tentatively to suggest a Donald Trump election win, yields in 10-year Treasuries have risen. Some on Wall Street think that is because traders believe Trump will win, bringing with him inflationary spending and policies. Today on the show, Rob A ... Show More
22m 2s
Mar 2025
A Trump Slump? How to Navigate Choppy Markets
It has been a wild few weeks in markets. By last week, the S&P 500 had wiped out all its gains since Election Day – $3.4 trillion in value. When Trump was asked about the possibility of a recession over the weekend, he said the US was in a “period of transition.” Then on Monday, ... Show More
16m 40s
Nov 2024
It’s US election day
While it's still anyone's guess who will become the next US President, some currency analysts took the latest polls favouring Kamala Harris to unwind some of their 'Trump trades' by selling the US dollar. US equities saw some volatility yesterday, but safe-haven US Treasuries ral ... Show More
12m 29s
Feb 2020
QE won’t cure the Coronavirus or the economy – Ep 533
Coronavirus may be worse than anyone thought, but why aren’t the markets worried? Gold mining stocks looking positive again. Underlying weakness in the dollar being revealed in gold. Obama and Trump are fighting over a booming economy that doesn’t exist. 1/3rd of Americans run ou ... Show More
47m 4s
Jul 2024
Prof G Markets: How the Debate Moved the Market & Wall Street’s Take on Trump - with Josh Brown
Josh Brown, co-founder and CEO of Ritholtz Wealth Management, fills in for Scott to talk about how the markets reacted to the Presidential debate. Then Josh and Ed discuss how Trump and Biden presidencies could impact investors and Josh breaks down why he isn’t concerned about Tr ... Show More
48m 53s
Apr 8
Late Day Stock Drop; Auto Industry On Edge From Trump Tariffs
Watch Carol and Tim LIVE every day on YouTube: http://bit.ly/3vTiACF. Another volatile day on Wall Street pushed the S&P 500 Index back to the brink of a bear market as the Trump administration doubled down on its plans to enact hefty tariffs that threaten to send the American ec ... Show More
40m 34s
Aug 2024
Wellington's Khurana: Broad election results will impact bond yields for years
Brij Khurana, fixed income portfolio manager at Wellington Management, says that if either political party sweeps the election in November -- winning the presidency and control of Congress and the Senate -- the result will be higher bond yields, because the market will price in g ... Show More
1h 1m