logo
episode-header-image
Mar 2020
38m 10s

Expert guide to conspiracy theories part...

THE CONVERSATION
About this episode

How are the origins of the French Revolution connected with Beyoncé, Jay Z and Rihanna? The answer lies with one of the world's most mysterious – and misunderstood – secret societies, the Illuminati. 


The strange evolution of the conspiracy theory surrounding this short-lived secret society, mirrors the modern history of conspiracy theories. We find out how in part three of our podcast series.


The Illuminati was a real secret society of intellectual elites in the late 18th century. Michael Butter, professor of American literary and cultural history at the University of Tübingen in Germany, tells us their goal was to promote Enlightenment thinking – ideas such as rational thought and the separation of church and state.


The society only lasted a few years before being forced to disband by the conservative authorities of the time. But conspiracy theorists say the Illuminati never really disappeared. 


They were accused of orchestrating the French Revolution, which started in 1789. Andreas Önnerfors, associate professor of intellectual history at the University of Gothenburg in Sweden, says it was such a violent revolution and caused so much upheaval across Europe that people looked for someone to blame.


We find out how the Illuminati then became the bogeyman for dark forces at work in the world. The conspiracy theory dramatically morphed in the 20th century, particularly following the publication of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, a fake transcript of a secret meeting of Jewish leaders plotting world domination. Then, after the second world war, it was picked up by conservatives in the US and played a part in fuelling anti-communist witch hunts.


Researcher Lindsay Porter explains how things take a weird turn in the 1960s when elements of the counterculture began to parody the conspiracy theory. And how today, certain pop stars are accused of being part of this secret society that rules the world.


The Anthill podcast is produced by Annabel Bligh and Gemma Ware. Sound design is by Eloise Stevens, with original music from Neeta Sarl and audio from Epidemic Sound. Thanks to City, University of London, for letting us use their studios. Special thanks to Clare Birchall, Michael Butter and Peter Knight who helped bring this podcast into being, and to the COST Action COMPACT for funding it.



Up next
Jun 2025
Scam Factories Ep 3: Great Escapes
Every day that he was locked up in a scam compound in Southeast Asia, George thought about how to get out. "We looked for means of escaping, but it was hard," he said. Scam Factories is a podcast series taking you inside Southeast Asia's brutal fraud compounds. It accompanies a s ... Show More
44m 36s
Jun 2025
Scam Factories Ep 2: Inside the operation
A few weeks after Ben Yeo travelled to Cambodia for what he thought was a job in a casino, he found himself locked up in a padded room. “It’s a combination between a prison and a madhouse,” he remembers. He was being punished for refusing to conduct online scams.Scam Factories is ... Show More
39m 13s
Jun 2025
Scam Factories Ep 1: No skills required
Scam factories is a special three-part series taking you inside Southeast Asia's brutal fraud compounds. Hundreds of thousands of people are estimated to work in these scam factories. Many were trafficked there and forced into criminality by defrauding people around the world.The ... Show More
33m 55s
Recommended Episodes
Jul 2018
The special edition science show
Future File has taken a bit of an indefinite hiatus recently - but we're back for a one-off special edition show all about science!Science continues to progress at breathtaking speed and making sense of it all can be a bit tricky.Technological advancements face off against danger ... Show More
25m 35s
Aug 2018
The Future of Medicine from the Scientists and Doctors on the Front Lines
How will we detect disease in the future, and how might new technology aid our well-being? In this episode, Dr. Oz sits down with entrepreneur Peter Diamandis and former FDA commissioner Rob Califf inside The Vatican to uncover the truth about the future of medicine. From the lat ... Show More
33m 54s
Dec 2020
Lab 036: Shoot Your Shot - A COVID Update
In the final Lab of Semester 3, Titi and Zakiya give a highly requested coronavirus update. They’ll highlight the advances in science and the public health plans with guests Dr. Rupali Limaye and Molly Sauer from the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health. Read Titi and ... Show More
39m 17s
Oct 2022
Anoop Jain on Sanitation and Infrastructure in India
This episode is the fourth installment of a series in which Shruti speaks with doctoral candidates and postdoctoral scholars about their research as they enter the job market and the world of academia. In this episode, Shruti talks with Anoop Jain about his paper, “‘Someone Shoul ... Show More
34m 7s
Jun 2024
Dr. K (Part 1): OPed Ayurvedic Medicine vs. Nerfed 'Western' Allopathy
Alok Kanojia, better known as Dr. K, is a charismatic psychiatrist and online streamer who offers a unique blend of psychological, self-help, and spiritual advice to guide individuals through the complexities of modern life, aiming to help them become Healthy Gamers™. Join Matt a ... Show More
3h 14m
Oct 2021
Dr. Sanjay Gupta
Emmy award-winning medical correspondent, author, and podcast host Dr. Sanjay Gupta sits down with Ellen to discuss our fractured healthcare system, meditation, and the power of positivity. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.c ... Show More
58m 51s
Nov 2021
The Miracle Treatment We Almost Couldn't Tell You About
Jaden Smith returns to the table to start a stimulating discussion on Psychedelic medicines and how researchers and clinicians might be poised on the brink of a revolution in mental health care. Joining him at the table are journalist Lisa Ling and her husband, Dr. Paul Sung; res ... Show More
35m 37s
May 2020
How Science Is Manipulated
“It’s not really science,” says David Michaels, PhD. “It’s public relations disguised as science.” Today, the epidemiologist and author of The Triumph of Doubt explains how frequently science is manipulated across industries—from tobacco to personal-care products to football. Dur ... Show More
51m 15s