As companies move from building models to buying models the focus shifts from tooling and platforms focused solely on model development to tools and platforms focused on the overall usage, consumption, and management of models. In this podcast Cognilytica analysts Kathleen Walch and Ronald Schmelzer interview Nir Bar-lev, CEO of ClearML to discuss the overlap between DevOps and MLOps, where ML Ops is fitting into the overall ML ecosystem, and how he thinks it will continue to evolve over the next few years.