logo
episode-header-image
Mar 2020
25m 47s

20VC: Howard Marks on How COVID-19 Impac...

Harry Stebbings
About this episode

Howard Marks is the Co-Founder and Co-Chairman of Oaktree Capital Management, a leading investment firm with more than $120 billion in assets. Prior to founding Oaktree, Howard spent 10 years at The TCW Group, where he was responsible for investments in distressed debt, high yield bonds, and convertible securities. Previously, Howard was with Citicorp for 16 years, where he served as Vice President and senior portfolio manager in charge of convertible and high yield securities. Howard has also written two books, most recently Mastering the Market Cycle: Getting the Odds on Your Side, and it was Warren Buffet who said, "When I see memos from Howard Marks in my mail, they're the first thing I open and read. I always learn something."

In Today's Episode You Will Learn:

1.) How Howard first made his way into the world of finance over 50 years ago? How did not getting an investment banking job change the course of Howard's life?

2.) What does Howard believe is the fundamental economic crisis occurring today? How does Howard expect liquidity availability to change over the next few years? What analogies of prior downturns and recessions can we look to learn from? How does this downturn differ and align to prior recessions and downturns? What policies would Howard like to see governments enact to prevent the worst-case scenario?

3.) In conditions of such uncertainty, how does Howard think about how to manage and move forward with such volatility? What are Howard's frameworks and mechanisms to analyse crises events like this? Taking the analysis one level further, how bad does Howard believe this could get? If short of The Great Depression, are there scenarios that could lead there? What are the leading signals?

4.) Being proactive, how does today's situation change the mentality and activity at Oaktree? Why does Howard not agree with the notion of "the falling knife"? How does Howard think about market bottoms? How does Howard determine the right insertion point? Why does Howard believe the best investors are unemotional? How can one manage the psychology of catching a falling knife that falls further?

5.) What advice would Howard give to the may millions of working professionals today that have never seen a recession in their professional career? What makes Howard the most nervous when he looks at and assess the landscape today? What does Howard believe is the biggest misconception people believe with regards to the current economic crisis?

Items Mentioned In Today's Show:

Howard's Fave Book: Fooled by Randomness: The Hidden Role of Chance in Life and in the Markets

As always you can follow HarryThe Twenty Minute VC and Howard on Twitter here!

Likewise, you can follow Harry on Instagram here for mojito madness and all things 20VC.

 

Up next
Nov 24
20VC: Base44's Maor Shlomo on How Vibe Coding Will Kill SaaS and Salesforce | Why it is BS that Vibe Coding Platforms Do Not Have Defensibility and Bad Margins | Why He Worries About Google, Not Replit and Lovable | Why Long Anthropic, Not OpenAI?
<p dir="ltr">Maor Shlomo is the Founder and CEO of Base44, the AI building platform that Maor built from idea to $80M acquisition by Wix, in just 8 months. Today the company serves millions of users and will hit $50M ARR by the end of the year. Before Base44, Maor was the Co-Foun ... Show More
1h 11m
Nov 21
20VC: Max Altman on The New Seed War: Can Anyone Compete with Sequoia and a16z | Leaving $2BN on the Table with Reddit | Lessons from Backing Rippling at $25M Post | Why Climate Tech is a Mirage and Disaster
<p dir="ltr">Max Altman is Co‑Founder & Managing Partner at Saga Ventures, a US$125 M early‑stage fund.  Before Saga Max was an investor with Apollo Projects, Hydrazine Capital and Altman Capital (where he helped deploy over US$500 M) into breakout names such as Rippling and Redd ... Show More
1h 19m
Nov 20
20VC: Cursor Raises $2.3BN: Who Wins the Coding War | Peter Thiel and Softbank Sell NVIDIA: Analysed | Why Venture Capital Will Hit $1TRN and the Opening of Retail | Why Stripe and the Best Companies Will Never Go Public
<p dir="ltr">AGENDA:</p> <p dir="ltr">04:47 Cursor Raises $2.3BN at $29BN Valuation</p> <p dir="ltr">11:36 What Gemini 3 Means for Lovable, Cursor and Replit</p> <p dir="ltr">30:54 Peter Thiel and Softbank Sell NVIDIA: The Bubble Bursting?</p> <p dir="ltr">48:54 Oracle Credit Def ... Show More
1h 22m
Recommended Episodes
Oct 2018
Howard Marks - It's Not What You Buy, It's What You Pay for It That Determines Whether Something is a Good Investment | #124
In Episode 124, we welcome legendary investor, Howard Marks. Meb begins with a quote from Howard’s new book, Mastering the Market Cycle, and asks him to expound. Howard gives us his top-line take on market cycles, ending with the idea that if you understand them, you can profit f ... Show More
43m 54s
May 2024
The Insight: Conversations – Volatility Ahead? Featuring Howard Marks, Armen Panossian, and David Rosenberg
Where are we in the market cycle? Why is it healthy to be uncertain? And what does it mean to actually “be opportunistic”? In the latest episode of The Insight: Conversations, Howard Marks (Co-Chairman), Armen Panossian (Co-CEO), and David Rosenberg (Head of Liquid Performing Cre ... Show More
31m 12s
Nov 2023
The Insight: Conversations – Full Return World with Howard Marks and Armen Panossian
Howard Marks (Co-Chairman) and Armen Panossian (Head of Performing Credit) discuss topics related to Howard’s latest memo, Further Thoughts on Sea Change, and Oaktree’s recently published Performing Credit Quarterly 3Q2023 in this crossover episode of The Insight: Conversations a ... Show More
31m 2s
Nov 2023
Conversations: Full Return World with Howard Marks and Armen Panossian
Howard Marks (Co-Chairman) and Armen Panossian (Head of Performing Credit) discuss topics related to Howard’s latest memo, Further Thoughts on Sea Change, and Oaktree’s recently published Performing Credit Quarterly 3Q2023 in this crossover episode of The Insight: Conversations a ... Show More
31m 2s
Jan 2024
The Insight: Conversations – Walking into the Unknown with Howard Marks, David Rosenberg, and Aman Kumar
What is a “normal” investment environment? What might a recession in 2024 mean for liquid credit? What’s happening in life sciences lending today? Find out by listening to the latest episode of The Insight: Conversations with Howard Marks (Co-Chairman), David Rosenberg (Co-Portfo ... Show More
35m 13s
Mar 2020
Howard Marks on the Stock Market Rarely Being Average
The average return of the stock market is 9-10%. So why does the market rarely hit that number in a given year? Legendary investor Howard Marks explains.   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices 
2m 32s
Jun 2024
4 Reasons Why the Stock Market Has Delivered Impressive Performance
<p>Sarah Hansen, Morningstar Inc. markets reporter, discusses why the stock market is up today and what could cause it to fall. Preston Caldwell, senior US economist for Morningstar Research Services, explains why he thinks the Federal Reserve will cut interest rates more than on ... Show More
17m 39s
Jul 2017
What It's Like to Suddenly Become a Bond Manager in the Credit Crisis
We talk a lot on Odd Lots about the idea of investing. But what's it like to actually have to put money to work in some of the trickiest investing environments in history? David Schawel was an equity analyst who suddenly became the manager of a portfolio of subprime mortgage bond ... Show More
20m 30s
May 2023
Lessons Learned While Working at The Fed, Recession Predictions, And How to Win During Challenging Markets | Jake Schurmeier
<p dir="ltr">In this episode of the Millionaire Mindcast, Jake Schurmeier of Harbor Capital Advisors shares his perspective working on how Fed and Treasury work together and affects the economy, the things he learned working in Fed, recession predictions, dollar currency issue, a ... Show More
40m 10s
Feb 2024
Behind the Memo: Easy Money with Howard Marks and Edward Chancellor
In this special episode of Behind the Memo, Howard Marks is joined by journalist and financial historian Edward Chancellor to discuss ideas from Howard’s recent memo, Easy Money, which was inspired by Edward’s book, The Price of Time: The Real Story of Interest. They explore the ... Show More
36m 54s