Ex-cop turned defence lawyer Patrick Schmidt reveals the brutal reality of defending the guilty - and why cops hate lawyers.
Gary goes head-to-head with Patrick on going to the dark side, how the worst police investigation he ever saw changed how he defends clients, and the courtroom tactics that get police destroyed on the stand.
From standard operating procedures that aren't law, to where he draws the ethical line when he believes someone did it, this is cops vs lawyers at its rawest.
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