BBC special correspondent James Naughtie speaks to former Governor of California, Jerry Brown.
He was first elected governor in 1974, succeeding Ronald Reagan, and went on to serve two eight-year terms in office, separated by nearly three decades.
Over the course of his public life, he met every US president from John F. Kennedy to Donald Trump.
Now retired on the California land where his ancestors settled in the nineteenth century, Brown reflects on a political career spanning five decades.
He discusses the growing influence of technology and AI, the spiritual beliefs that shaped how he governed, and the profound changes he has witnessed in American politics since he first entered public life.
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Presenter: Jim Naughtie Producers: Cordelia Hemming, Ben Cooper and Osman Iqbal Editor: Damon Rose and Farhana Haider
(Image: Jerry Brown. Credit: Getty)