What's the real cost of running brand and performance marketing as separate teams? It is more than most marketing leaders want to admit. When every dollar is judged on last-click conversions, you're capturing existing demand while the pipeline of future customers dries up.

I sat down with Jon Chang from MyFitnessPal, the category-leading nutrition app now inside ChatGPT Health, to break down how he runs brand and performance marketing as one system. Jon shares how his team runs roughly 700 creatives at once and tests new messaging for just $100–$300 a week.

He also explains how moving off a single-message influencer strategy took CAC from break-even to about 30% below it. You'll walk away with a framework for persona-based creative, a test budget that protects your LTV/CAC math, and a smarter way to measure brand performance with incrementality.

In this episode:

- Why last-click attribution and performance-only marketing run out of demand

- How Meta's Andromeda update rewards creative diversification

- Running multiple creatives to build brand differentiation and lower CAC

- How to measure each funnel stage with brand lift and last-touch

- What GeoX incrementality studies reveal about true channel credit

- MyFitnessPal’s influencer strategy and media mix

- How Klarna builds micro-communities and campus activations

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