The podcast is back from hiatus with a fun one!
Episode 104 is a conversation with Sarah Rothberg and my dear old friend and collaborator Marina Zurkow about More&More, their speculative card-deck and worldbuilding framework for making strange, useful futures with other people.
We talk about why constraints are better than blank canvases, how a handful of absurd cards can quickly open up a whole social world, and why the point is not to invent dystopias but to imagine worlds you might actually want to live in.
Along the way: the Whitney Museum, Hudson River speculation, public kitchens and bathrooms, communication by scent, abolitionist futures, AI ethics, material responsibility, and the impossibility of being perfectly virtuous while living inside messy technologies.
It’s rangy, playful, and serious in the way good speculative work tends to be.
Love these guys.