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How markets, law, and technology are reshaping sovereignty. With Quinn Slobodian.
Where does power really reside today?
If capitalism no longer operates within the boundaries of nation-states, what happens to democracy? Who governs a world shaped by tax havens, special economic zones, and private infrastructures? And what if some of the most influential actors are no longer trying to win political power, but to escape it altogether?
In this conversation with historian Quinn Slobodian, we explore the deeper logic behind neoliberalism, the rise of “exit” politics, and the growing fragmentation of sovereignty.
A discussion about the shifting relationship between capital and democracy, and what it means for the future of our political systems.
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Chapters
00:00 - Introduction to the Conversation
02:00 - Understanding Historical Contexts
05:03 - Power Dynamics in Modern Capitalism
08:09 - The Evolution of Capitalism and Political Economy
12:09 - The Role of Neoliberalism
20:59 - The Intersection of Democracy and Capitalism
30:05 - Special Economic Zones and Global Capitalism
36:32 - Capitalist Utopias and Economic Zones
39:08 - The Rise of Neoliberalism in the 1970s
44:03 - International Economic Law and Capitalist Rights
50:40 - The European Union: A Competing Vision
53:00 - Debt as Political Discipline
01:01:03 - Trumpism: A New Political Experiment
01:11:53 - Neoliberalism and Geoeconomics
01:17:07 - Understanding Empire and Power Dynamics
01:23:36 - Muskism: A New Economic Paradigm?
01:27:31 - Ecological Stress and Energy Limits
01:35:37 - The Future of Nation-States and Democracy
Recorded on January 12, 2026
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