Recorded live at All Things Open, Robbie Wagner and guest co-host Jason Lengstorf talk with Angie Jones about AI, coding models, and the evolving landscape of open source. They unpack the importance of community-driven tooling, skill gaps in using AI, the future of agentic systems, and why open communities matter in shaping technology.

In this episode:

(00:00) - Intro
(01:18) - Wine rating & review
(03:30) - Hot Take: Claude vs ChatGPT
(04:20) - Hot Take: Is HTML a programming language?
(04:56) - Hot Take: Is CSS a programming language?
(05:31) - Hot Take: Is AI to blame when people do dumb shit with it?
(09:50) - How open source shaped Angie’s career
(14:54) - The problem with AI training on open source data
(23:02) - What is MCP and why does it matter?
(25:10) - Using MCP when you don’t follow every part of the spec
(26:25) - Are we building new walled gardens inside MCP?
(31:16) - Building DevRel in a rapidly-changing AI landscape
(36:06) - Conference season stress & preparing new talks
(39:41) - Where to find Angie online

Links

Ep 175: Decentralized Identity: The Future of Privacy and Security with Angie Jones: https://whiskey.fm/decentralized-identity-the-future-of-privacy-and-security-with-angie-jones
Block: https://block.xyz/
MCP: https://modelcontextprotocol.io/
Claude: https://claude.ai
ChatGPT: https://chatgpt.com/
HTML: https://www.w3schools.com/html/
CSS: https://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/
All Things Open: https://allthingsopen.org/
Microsoft: https://www.microsoft.com/
GitHub: https://github.com/
NPM: https://www.npmjs.com/
GooseAI: https://goose.ai/
Sam Altman: https://x.com/sama
Peter Thiel: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Thiel
Marc Andreessen: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Andreessen
Anthropic: https://www.anthropic.com/
Ember: https://emberjs.com/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com
Kent C. Dodds: https://kentcdodds.com/
Chrome: https://www.google.com/chrome/
Safari: https://www.apple.com/safari/
Cursor: https://www.cursor.com/
DevRelCon: https://developerrelations.com/devrelcon/devrelcon-new-york-2025/
Angie's keynote at DevRelCon: https://developerrelations.com/talks/devrels-biggest-stage-yet/

Connect with Jason

Website: https://jason.energy/
X / Twitter: https://x.com/jlengstorf

Connect with Angie

Website: https://angiejones.tech
X / Twitter: https://x.com/techgirl1908

Connect with the hosts

Robbie Wagner: https://x.com/RobbieTheWagner
Chuck Carpenter: https://x.com/CharlesWthe3rd
Adam Argyle: https://x.com/argyleink

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