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Oct 17
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A Shutdown Where None of the Normal Rule...

The New York Times
About this episode

Under normal circumstances, the profound pain of a government shutdown compels both parties to negotiate a quick resolution on behalf of the American people. But, so far, nothing about this shutdown is normal.

Times journalists Michael Barbaro, Tyler Pager, Catie Edmondson and Tony Romm sit down to discuss why this shutdown feels so different.

Guest:

  • Tyler Pager, a White House correspondent for The New York Times, covering President Trump and his administration.
  • Catie Edmondson, a congressional correspondent for The New York Times.
  • Tony Romm, a reporter covering economic policy and the Trump administration for The New York Times, based in Washington.

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Photo: Tierney L. Cross/The New York Times

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