For episode 128, I spoke with the brilliant Mdou Moctar, a Tuareg singer, guitarist and songwriter whose sound combines rock, blues and contemporary Saharan music into songs that range from shreddy and electrifying to beautiful and contemplative, and all the stops in between. I highly recommend digging into his catalog, which is now several albums deep. His latest releases with his band were a pair of interconnected albums: 2024’s Funeral For Justice, which is of the fiery rock & roll variety, and Tears of Injustice, which was released this year and features acoustic versions of the same songs — gorgeous renditions whose sound harkens back to the more sparse style Mdou employed on his early albums, before he had a full band supporting him.

During the summer, I connected over Zoom with both Mdou and his bassist, Mikey Coltun, who also produces their albums, and that is the main interview in this episode. But I also had the pleasure of meeting up with the band in person, following our Zoom, to moderate an event they did at LA’s Grammy Museum. The Grammy Museum is an awesome non-profit that, in addition to preserving the history of the Grammy Awards and offering very cool interactive exhibits, also presents a series of live events where incredible artists like Mdou Moctar give talks and stripped-down performances for truly intimate audiences. Big thanks to Kimber Kristy over there for allowing me to use some of the audio from that conversation in this episode, because there were a couple of moments from it that I wanted to share. So we’ll listen to a bit of that, and then get into the longer interview.