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Sep 15
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Be Persistent Without Being Stupid: We L...

Yaniv Bernstein, Chris Saad
About this episode

Are you truly being persistent with your startup, or just being stubborn? In the new age of AI-powered founders and hyper-fast iteration, many entrepreneurs mistake obstinacy for persistence and end up running out of time, money, and morale.


Too often we glorify “hustle” and “grit” without understanding when to adapt, pivot, or quit. The misconception that sheer willpower equals success has caused countless startups to fail, not because the idea was bad, but because the founder couldn’t tell when to change course.


In this episode, Chris and Yaniv dive deep into Paul Graham’s classic essay on the difference between persistence and obstinacy. Drawing from decades of startup experience, they unpack why adaptability, “predatory listening,” and goal-directed experimentation are the true drivers of breakthrough success.


They explore the five traits that set persistent founders apart (energy, imagination, resilience, good judgment, and focus) and explain how to build these skills into your daily practice as a founder.


In this episode, you will:

  • Discover the critical difference between persistence and obstinacy in startup culture
  • Learn Paul Graham’s “boat rudder vs. boat engine” metaphor and why it matters for founders
  • Identify the five traits every successful founder must develop to survive and thrive
  • Understand how “predatory listening” and adaptability accelerate learning and reduce risk
  • Explore real-world examples (Stripe, Uber) showing how top founders embody these traits
  • Apply practical strategies to know when to double down, pivot, or quit a failing idea
  • Gain a fresh perspective on why resilience and imagination matter more than raw hustle



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Learn more about Chris and Yaniv

Work 1:1 with Chris: http://chrissaad.com/advisory/

Follow Chris on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chrissaad/

Follow Yaniv on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ybernstein/


Producer: Justin McArthur https://www.linkedin.com/in/justin-mcarthur

Intro Voice: Jeremiah Owyang https://web-strategist.com/


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