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Jun 2025
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The Cage

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This is episode two of Swimming with Shadows: A Radiolab Week of Sharks.

Jaws spawned a thousand imitators: sharks in tornados, sharks in avalanches, sharks that battle giant octopuses. Hollywood has officially turned sharks into monsters of every shape and size. And yet, somehow, there will always be more.

But drop below the surface, into the cold, quiet blue, and another creature appears. One that has survived mass extinctions, outlasted ancient predators and pre-dates Mount Everest, the existence of trees, even the rings of Saturn. A shark that is somehow even more remarkable than sharks in tornadoes.

Today, we go visit that shark. 

Special thanks to Andrew Fox, the entire team at Rodney Fox Shark Expeditions, John Long whose book The Secret History of Sharks inspired our obsession with sharks, and Greg Skomal, whose wonderful new book on his life studying white sharks is Chasing Shadows: My Life Tracking the Great White Shark.

EPISODE CREDITS: 
Reported by - Rachael Cusick
with help from - Pat Walters
Produced by - Rachael Cusick and Simon Adler
with help from - Pat Walters
Sound design contributed by - Jeremy Bloom
with mixing help from - Jeremy Bloom
Fact-checking by - Natalie Middleton
and Edited by  - Pat Walters

EPISODE CITATIONS:
Videos - 
Loved learning about all the different kinds of sharks there are? Check out even more Jaida Elcock’s videos on sharks.

Book - 
The Secret History of Sharks by John Long 

Chasing Shadows: My Life Tracking the Great White Shark by Greg Skomal

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