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Jun 16
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Episode 39 - “This nightmare” was create...

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About this episode

“It’s left me with a deep and simmering anger against the western powers who imposed this nightmare on us.”

Palestinian physician, author and Nakba survivor Ghada Karmi joins UNAPOLOGETIC to speak about how her life has been shaped by exile and how, as she tried to find a new home in the UK, she was confronted by experiences that enhanced her desire to reconnect with her Palestinian identity and eventually made her want to embrace a life where she lived in service of liberating Palestinians from Zionist occupation.

She also reflects on the current unfolding genocide in Gaza, what she calls Arab and western complicity and how this event will traumatise future generations of Palestinians 

Chapters

0:00 Intro and context setup
 2:00 Two Nakbas, 77 years apart
 4:32 Predicting 7 October’s logic
 8:09 Fleeing Jerusalem in 1948
 14:46  Remembering home, dog, Fatima
 17:29  Life as a refugee child
 21:28  1967 war changed everything
 27:19  Reclaiming identity through activism
 29:16  Visiting her old home
 34:04  Learning the deeper history
 43:58  Zionism’s effect on region
 44:54  Arab states and complicity
 55:57  The one-state vision today
 1:09:00 Final reflections


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