Today on the show, we welcome Scott Kiloby and Toshi Matsunaga, authors of Awake But Sick, to explore the hidden emotional pain that can persist even after profound spiritual awakening. Their work challenges the common myths of nonduality and mindfulness, offering a deeper path through emotional repression, physical illness, and the illusion of immediate freedom. In this conversation, we explore the gap between awakening and true healing, the dangers of spiritual bypassing, and how to reconnect with the body’s wisdom to find lasting peace.
Links
Nondualship with Toshi Matsunaga
Nonduality & KI Monthly Meeting with Toshi
Emotional Repression Test Inquiry
Topics
00:00 Introduction to Guests and Their Work
01:34 Scott and Toshi's Journey to Collaboration
02:31 Understanding Kiloby Inquiries (KI)
03:12 The Dimensions of Spiritual Practice
04:54 Addressing Spiritual Bypassing
08:48 The Connection Between Awakening and Suffering
12:26 The Role of Repressed Emotions
15:28 Integrating Non-Dual Teachings with Modern Psychosis
25:49 The Iceberg Metaphor and Emotional Repression
29:13 The Role of Spiritual Practices in Repression
31:35 Identifying Patterns of Avoidance and Spiritual Bypassing
32:49 Signs of Repression in Meditation and Spiritual Practices
36:31 Understanding and Addressing Anger Repression
46:54 The Importance of Community in Spiritual Work
52:20 Connecting with the Speakers and Their Work
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