Some people recover from COVID in weeks; others feel broken for months—what could be the difference?
In this episode, I talk with Dr. Evan Hirsch, a fatigue expert who’s helped thousands recover from long COVID and chronic fatigue using his four-step Energy MD Method. We explore the "toxic five" hidden factors like mold, infections, and nervous system overload that often go unaddressed in standard care. He also explains why common treatments like IV ozone might backfire if your body isn’t ready, and why gentle nervous system retraining can sometimes be the missing piece. Whether you’re dealing with lingering symptoms or just trying to understand this complex condition better, there’s a lot to unpack here.
If you're still not feeling like yourself months after COVID, this conversation could help you connect the dots and know what to do next. Tune in now!
Episode Timeline:
0:01 - Episode Overview
1:08 - Podcast Intro
1:41 - Meet Dr Evan Hirsch and His Fatigue Recovery Mission
3:07 - What Long COVID Looks Like and Why It Persists
3:58 - COVID and the Rise of Chronic Illness
4:55 - How Common Is Long COVID
5:56 - Why Some Get Long COVID While Others Don’t
6:35 - The Toxic Five and Their Lasting Impact
7:56 - Long COVID Often Starts Long Before Infection
8:40 - Why Genetics Play a Smaller Role
9:50 - Why Early Testing Often Misses Root Causes
10:55 - Understanding the Toxic Matrix in the Body
11:15 - How Nervous System Retraining Transforms Recovery
13:27 - Why Testing Isn’t Always the Best Start
14:55 - Does It Matter What Causes the Fatigue
15:22 - Long COVID and Chronic Fatigue Are Closely Linked
17:15 - Why Killing Every Infection Isn’t the Goal
18:48 - Why Some Spike Protocols Fall Short
20:16- Chronic Lyme Testing Isn’t Always Reliable
21:00 - Why Immune Dysfunction Skews Infection Test Results
24:34 - Standard Lyme and Stool Tests Often Miss
25:19 - Using Herbs Instead of Antibiotics for Infections
26:38 - Why Ozone and IV Therapies Can Backfire
28:05 - Tincture Dosing as a Safer Alternative
30:49 - Nervous System Retraining for Sensitive Individuals
32:07 - Why Drainage Pathways Must Be Open First
35:00 - Detox Should Be a Drip Not a Flood
36:13 - Micro Clots and the Symptoms They Cause
38:03 - The Four Step Energy MD Method Explained
41:47 - Which Mold and Dental Tests Matter Most
42:02 - What the Emma Mold Test Actually Does
43:37 - How Emotional Stressors Affect Long COVID and Fatigue
46:43 - Where You Can Learn More from Dr Hirsch
46:56 - Episode Wrap Up
47:15 - Podcast Outro
47:36 - Key Takeaways
About Dr. Evan Hirsch:
Evan H. Hirsch, MD, (also known as the EnergyMD) is a world-renowned fatigue expert, best-selling author, and professional speaker. He is the creator of the EnergyMD Method, the science-backed and clinically proven 4-step process to resolving Long Covid and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (ME/CFS) naturally. Through his best-selling book, podcast, and international online program, he has helped thousands of people around the world resolve their fatigue. He has been featured on TV, podcasts, and summits, and when he’s not at the office, you can find him singing musicals, dancing hip-hop, learning languages, and traveling with his family.
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