logo
episode-header-image
Oct 2024
30m 21s

Wargames

MARKETPLACE
About this episode

Imagine it’s 2044. We’ve failed to control global warming and temperatures have risen 2 degrees Celsius. Northern South America is suffering from extreme heat, mudslides, agricultural collapse and rolling blackouts. Governments are falling apart and 2 million people are on the move. If you were president of the United States, what would you do?


The U.S. military has used simulated scenarios, called wargames, for decades to help prepare for future threats. These days, climate change is the focus of some Pentagon wargames. In this episode, we look at how wargaming became a tool for the military to anticipate threats, and host Kai Ryssdal steps into the Oval Office to play out a climate crisis set in 2044, with help from two retired high-level military officials and a professional game designer.


To support Marketplace’s impactful journalism, donate here: https://support.marketplace.org/hws-sn

Up next
Oct 2024
The Uncertain Future
After spending nearly a year exploring U.S. national security and climate change, some big questions remain: Should the American military be smaller? Is that even possible? And what about the upcoming election; Could it upend the military’s climate focus? In our last episode of t ... Show More
27m 10s
Oct 2024
The Uncertain Future
After spending nearly a year exploring U.S. national security and climate change, some big questions remain: Should the American military be smaller? Is that even possible? And what about the upcoming election; Could it upend the military’s climate focus? In our last episode of t ... Show More
27m 10s
Oct 2024
Burning Questions: What’s driving climate misinformation (and what to do about it)?
In the wake of Hurricane Helene and Hurricane Milton, the internet was flooded with conspiracy theories and misinformation, ranging from false claims that the government geo-engineerd the storm on purpose, to false rumors around FEMA blocking aid from people who needed it.In this ... Show More
18m 24s
Recommended Episodes
Oct 2023
The energy transition needs minerals. Is deep sea mining the best way to get them?
<p>The International Energy Agency last month held its first ever&nbsp;<a href="https://www.iea.org/news/iea-critical-minerals-and-clean-energy-summit-delivers-six-key-actions-for-secure-sustainable-and-responsible-supply-chains" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">summit</ ... Show More
53m 14s
May 2022
California Gets To 100% Renewable Electricity. Almost.
<p>In this week's episode, the gang discuss nuclear power: is it a solution for providing energy security, or could it make the problem worse? Given that many consuming countries need to import most of their uranium, does relying on nuclear power create new sources of fragility? ... Show More
53m 22s
Apr 2021
Mining the ocean
How rocks on the ocean floor could be key to the transition to electric cars. Justin Rowlatt speaks to Gerard Barron, boss of DeepGreen, a company that wants to gather rocks from the ocean floors rich in the metals essential for making electric car batteries. He tells us why this ... Show More
17m 59s
Feb 2024
The War Below
Inside your cell phone, your car, even your leaf blower – there’s a collection of small, precious minerals making each one work.  Ernest Scheyder is a Reuters reporter covering the clean energy transition and author of the new book, “The War Below: Lithium, Copper, and the Globa ... Show More
25m 36s
Oct 2018
How the 2008 Financial Crisis Shaped Clean Energy
<p>Ten years ago this week, stock markets around the world cratered as fears grew that the global economy was headed into a deep, dark recession.</p><p>Alan Greenspan called it “a once-in-a-century credit tsunami.”</p><p>Today, we are still feeling the economic and geopolitical c ... Show More
1h 1m
Nov 2021
The coming cleantech mining rush
Can the minerals needed to decarbonise the global economy be dug up fast enough? And can it be done without the human rights and environmental abuses of the past?Tamasin Ford speaks to KC Michaels of the International Energy Agency says there will need to be a staggering increase ... Show More
18m 13s
Apr 2022
Wealth from waste: can urban mining save the planet?
Ivana Davidovic investigates urban mining - the process of reclaiming raw materials from spent products, buildings and waste. She looks at what new technologies are helping us to recycle waste and the benefits that could bring. In Antwerp, Belgium, she visits Umicore, once a trad ... Show More
17m 29s
Oct 2021
How much clean electricity do we really need? | Solomon Goldstein-Rose
To fight climate change, we need to clean up the global electricity system by replacing fossil fuel power plants with clean generation -- right? Climate author Solomon Goldstein-Rose thinks we need to do much more than that. Replacement isn’t enough, he explains in this compellin ... Show More
9m 56s