logo
episode-header-image
Apr 2025
42m 54s

Ch. 8: "Seven Principles" for Supporting...

Ned Johnson
About this episode

In this episode, I’m joined by my dear friend and co-author, Dr. Bill Stixrud. We dive into a topic that’s been at the heart of so many recent conversations: how schools can do a better job supporting students’ mental health, motivation, and overall well-being.

Bill and I have spent a lot of time lately visiting schools, giving talks, and listening—really listening—to what kids are telling us about their experience in today’s education system. We’re talking chronic stress, anxiety, and a relentless pressure to perform that’s robbing too many students of joy and curiosity. In this episode, we explore why this is happening, how schools got here, and most importantly, what we can do to change it. From the science of autonomy to the powerful impact of rethinking homework, we unpack real strategies that can make school a place of growth, not just grades.

 

Episode Highlights:

[1:07] – A student’s bold question about homework and mental health gets a thunderous response.
[2:25] – Why we took a hard look at public schools in our new book’s bonus chapter.
[3:29] – The critical role of autonomy in mental health and intrinsic motivation.
[5:03] – Two big opportunities for schools: more voice and healthier environments.
[6:16] – Striking data: mental health outcomes are worse during the school year.
[8:14] – Students share how their lives revolve around impressing college admissions officers.
[11:00] – Why school often ignores what neuroscience says about how brains actually learn.
[13:32] – A principal shadows students for a day—and is shocked by the experience.
[14:30] – The importance of downtime and unstructured moments between classes.
[16:33] – Three steps for teachers to reflect on the purpose and impact of homework.
[18:28] – Low intrinsic motivation is linked to nearly every mental health issue.
[19:34] – A bold shift: one district makes homework optional and ungraded.
[22:17] – How over-emphasizing homework can backfire on learning and wellness.
[23:14] – Reducing content, adding autonomy: how med schools improved outcomes.
[24:56] – Can we build schools that foster joy, not just performance?
[29:47] – Inspire, don’t require: how one school reimagined homework.
[34:31] – Collaborating across schools and communities to create real change.
[36:14] – Parents can respectfully ask for the evidence behind educational practices.
[38:21] – Radical downtime, meditation, and how calmer minds lead to better learning.
[39:59] – Final thoughts: Let's reframe schools as places of growth, joy, and human development.

 

Links & Resources:

If this episode has helped you, remember to rate, follow, and share the Self-Driven Child Podcast. Your support helps us reach more people and create more content that makes a difference. 

If you have a high school aged student and would like to talk about putting a tutoring or college plan together, reach out to Ned's company, PrepMatters at www.prepmatters.com

Up next
Aug 12
Challenge Accepted: 50 Adventures to Make Middle School Awesome
As parents, we often think of middle school as a gauntlet—something our kids just need to survive. But my guest today, education leader, author, and school founder Chris Balme, sees it differently. To him, middle school is an extraordinary time of growth and self-discovery—a peri ... Show More
53m 26s
Jul 29
School Phone Policies With An Educator Who Helped Craft Them
What happens when schools set boundaries on student phone use—not to punish, but to empower learning? In this episode, I sit down with Julie Yang, President of the Montgomery County, Maryland Board of Education, to explore the increasingly complex relationship between students, s ... Show More
49m 48s
Jul 15
Summer Downtime: The Power of Trees and the Default Mode Network
It’s summer, and that means more time outside—and for me, that means time with trees. In this episode, I dive deep into how trees, those quiet giants of our world, can actually help us and our kids develop healthier minds and deeper self-awareness. I unpack some fascinating scien ... Show More
21m 30s
Recommended Episodes
Dec 2024
Letting Go of Perfectionism
Hi, I’m Dr. Jodi Aman, and today, we’re going to tackle one of the biggest roadblocks to happiness and self-acceptance: perfectionism. I’ll be sharing insights on why perfectionism feels helpful but actually holds us back from joy and peace. We’ll explore ways to let go of these ... Show More
26 m
Jan 2024
75 — How to Raise Mentally Strong Kids
Studies consistently show that kids are telling us they're academically prepared for life beyond high school but not emotionally prepared. Fortunately, we can change that. A few shifts in the way we support kids can make a big difference in their ability to build mental strength. ... Show More
17 m
Feb 2025
431: Pathological Demand Avoidance & Persistent Low-Grade Depression
Episode 431: Pathological Demand Avoidance in Coaching & Persistent Depression Welcome to another episode of the Hardcore Self Help Podcast with Dr. Robert Duff! In this Q&A episode, Dr. Duff tackles two insightful listener questions on very different but equally important mental ... Show More
28m 35s
Dec 2024
196: Is My Kid Really Sick? Or Just Avoiding School?
“Ask Lisa: The Psychology of Parenting” is the essential podcast for parents seeking expert guidance, tested strategies, and psychological insights on raising kids, especially tweens and teens. Join renowned clinical psychologist Dr. Lisa Damour and former journalist and mom of t ... Show More
31m 57s
May 1
Signs you may have high-functioning depression – and 5 ways to fix it | Dr. Judith Joseph and Dr. Sarah Berry
We often associate depression with withdrawal and low energy - but what if it hides behind a packed schedule and staying busy? Board-certified psychiatrist Dr. Judith Joseph joins Professor Sarah Berry to explore high-functioning depression. Dr. Joseph explains how depression get ... Show More
50m 16s
May 12
Living with Depression with Dr. Scott Eilers
Forrest is joined by clinical psychologist Dr. Scott Eilers to explore how he both treats and lives with chronic depression. They discuss anhedonia, the catch-22 of treatment resistance, how to build new practices when it’s the last thing you want to do, acceptance, and how a val ... Show More
1h 15m
Jul 2024
How to Help a Child Struggilng with Depression with Dr Chinwe Williams, Episode #87
 In this podast episode we interview Dr. Chinwé William about depression in children and teens. She is is a best-selling author, internationally acclaimed speaker, a Licensed Professional Counselor (LPC), Board Certified Counselor and a certified EMDR therapist. Dr. Williams is a ... Show More
38m 30s
Jan 2025
204: How Do I Help My Kid Develop a Work Ethic?
“Ask Lisa: The Psychology of Parenting” is the essential podcast for parents seeking expert guidance, tested strategies, and psychological insights on raising kids, especially tweens and teens. Join renowned clinical psychologist Dr. Lisa Damour and former journalist and mom of t ... Show More
35m 23s
Oct 2024
Dr. Gabor Maté Reveals The Unlikely Link Between Stress, Trauma & Disease (E297)
Renowned physician and bestselling author, Dr. Gabor Maté, joins Jake and Damian for an insightful and transformative conversation. Known for his expertise in addiction, trauma, and mind-body health, Gabor brings decades of knowledge to the table, offering a unique perspective on ... Show More
51m 49s
Feb 2025
How Groupthink Shapes Parenting, Medicine, and Health
​​Ever wonder why some of the smartest people, like doctors, can still get it wrong? In this eye-opening episode, Gabe Howard talks with Dr. Marty Makary, author of “Blind Spots: When Medicine Gets It Wrong,” to uncover how groupthink and cognitive biases influence not just medic ... Show More
26m 9s