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Apr 2025
34m 35s

Let Yourself Rage With Poet Laureate Ada...

The New York Times
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As U.S. poet laureate, Ada Limón has had a far-reaching impact. She has visited readers and writers across the country, installed poems at majestic sites in national parks, and she even wrote a poem that’s engraved inside a NASA spacecraft on its way to Jupiter.

Today on the show, though, our host Anna Martin talks with Limón about something more personal and intimate: What happens when writers fall hopelessly in love. She reads a Modern Love essay about a novelist whose debilitating crush on a poet gives her a bad case of writer’s block (before leaving her with a badly broken heart). Limón also tells Anna why feeling anger and grief when we’re despairing can be the path to feeling more alive, and she explains why a pair of old sweatpants belong in a love poem as much as bees and flowers do.

Ada Limón’s recent book, “You Are Here: Poetry in the Natural World” can be found here.

Lily King’s Modern Love essay, “An Empty Heart Is One That Can Be Filled” can be found here.

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