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Mar 2025
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How Native Rollups Scale Ethereum | Uma ...

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About this episode

Native Rollups are the next big step toward scaling Ethereum securely. In this episode,

Uma Roy (CEO of Succinct) and Justin Drake (Ethereum Foundation researcher) break down what Native Rollups are, how they leverage Ethereum’s core infrastructure for execution and validation, and why they're crucial for stronger security, better composability, and sustainable Ethereum growth.

Tune in to understand the evolution of Ethereum’s rollup-centric roadmap and how Native Rollups could become a foundational upgrade for Ethereum's future.

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TIMESTAMPS

0:00 Intro

6:41 Why Native Rollups?

16:32 Security & Composability Benefits

38:13 ZKProofs

42:52 Making L2s Native

50:48 Network Effects

52:35 Customizability Trade-Offs

58:59 Timelines

1:02:39 ETH Economic Impacts

1:05:46 Other Advantages

1:08:17 Succinct

1:08:59 ETHProofs.org

1:11:32 Real-Time Proving

1:12:33 Ethereum’s Bottleneck

1:15:43 Closing & Disclaimers

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RESOURCES

Uma Roy

https://x.com/pumatheuma

Justin Drake

https://x.com/drakefjustin

Native Rollups

https://ethresear.ch/t/native-rollups-superpowers-from-l1-execution/21517

Succinct

https://www.succinct.xyz/

L2Beat

https://l2beat.com/scaling/summary

ETHProofs

https://ethproofs.org/

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