In this episode recorded mid-2024, Josh spoke with Dylan Saba about some of his essays beginning with one titled "A Struggle to Destroy the World,” where he argued that the condition of Palestine is the condition of the modern world. We discuss the role of the Iron Dome as an offensive system, its historical context, and its implications for the colonial-imperialist power imbalance in the region. Saba also provides an overview of the strategic use of aid as a weapon to maintain control, division, and weaken Palestinian resistance. We also touch on how the Israeli military's inability to defeat Hamas forces the US and Israel to adopt different strategies of counterinsurgency in an effort to try to replace Hamas with a more compliant Palestinian authority.
Dylan Saba is a civil rights attorney and writer who lives in New York City. He works at
Palestine Legal, where he represents individuals and groups in the US who are facing suppression for supporting Palestinian rights. He has written about Palestine and other issues for a variety of publications, including The Nation, n+1, Jewish Currents, American Prospect, and The Baffler.
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This episode was produced and edited by Aidan Elias. Music by Televangel.