Have ideas for the show? Liked a topic? Let us know! In this episode of That Change Show, Jason sits down with Don Gray for a deep dive into the realities of change management—beyond frameworks, buzzwords, and rigid processes. They explore why change is messy, how emotions and values shape resistance, and why organizations often focus on the wrong levers whe ... Show More
Sep 17
How to Lead Teams Through Change
<p>Iterating has become the business norm—but project teams are struggling to keep up with the relentless pace of change. How can change management professionals and project leaders help? We discuss this with: </p><p>Sharon Casey, director, change management, Adobe, Austin, Texas ... Show More
23m 21s
Aug 27
Don't Be a Statistic. Make Transformation Work.
Transformation isn’t a gamble—it’s science. Kristy Ellmer, a leader with BCG Transform, unpacks the research behind what really makes change work: involving employees in the journey, preparing for the “messy middle,” and building emotional and practical support into the process. ... Show More
22m 4s
Jul 2025
Leading Change with Confidence: HR’s Role in Organizational Transformation
Andy Biladeau, SHRM’s chief transformation officer, sits down with guest host Marjorie Morrison, SHRM’s executive in residence for mental health, to explore HR’s evolving role in organizational transformation. With change management being one of the top CHRO priorities for 2025, ... Show More
32m 26s
Feb 2025
Why Is Change So Hard—And How Can You Make It Stick?
<p>Change happens to all of us, but it isn’t always easy. In this episode, Jake and Damian dive into why we struggle with change and how we can approach it differently. They explore the common pitfalls of poorly executed change and the power of long-term, sustainable transformati ... Show More
23m 40s