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Elon Musk and his team have taken a hacksaw to the federal bureaucracy one agency at a time, and the question has become whether he’s on a crusade that will leave the government paralyzed or deliver a shake-up it has needed for years.

Jonathan Swan, a White House reporter for The New York Times, takes us inside this hostile takeover of Washington.

Guests: Jonathan Swan, a White House reporter for The New York Times.

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Inside Mr. Musk’s aggressive incursion into the federal government.

For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily. Transcripts of each episode will be made available by the next workday.

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Elon Musk: agent of chaos