'Shrinking’ star Michael Urie joins the show. Over Peruvian sea scallops and short rib barbacoa, Michael tells me how Vanessa Williams advocated for him on ‘Ugly Betty,’ why he made so little money during its early episodes, and his initial fear of iconic TV director Jimmy Burrows. This episode was recorded at Corteza at Sendero at the Ritz Carlton in Downtown Los Angeles.
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