Imran and Qiao bring on Scott Lewis to discuss the growing trend of tokenizing real world assets.
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Timestamps
(00:00) Intro
(00:51) Welcome to Good Game
(01:15) What we are going to talk about today
(01:54) Real world assets gaining traction in DeFi
(03:26) Rapid growth of RWAs in Maker and other protocols
(04:29) Stablecoins settling over $11 trillion on chain
(06:32) Interesting data points about stablecoin usage
(08:41) Factors contributing to the success of crypto payment startups
(09:47) Challenges faced by early attempts at crypto payments
(11:18) Commercialization of real world asset utility through startups
(12:36) Importance of understanding demand before tokenizing assets
(14:25) Tokenizing treasury bills as a potential asset class
(20:24) Potential tokenization of collectibles like Pokemon and Magic: The Gathering cards
(22:26) Appreciation of collectible cards and nostalgia driving demand
(23:44) Nikita Bier's tweet on belief in crypto and global events
(24:10) Potential demand for tokenized gold.
(25:52) Tokenized carbon credits and their potential on-chain.
(27:49) Tokenizing assets without a liquid secondary market.
(29:01) Composability of RWAs with DeFi protocols.
(31:21) MakerDAO's plan to create a new brand and extending capital base into real-world assets.
(35:50) Let's bring on Scott Lewis
(37:43) Lack of strong thesis on why tokenizing assets makes sense
(38:24) Scott's background
(41:25) Scott's interest in real world assets due to solving important problems
(41:43) Tokenizing assets provides open liquidity and transparency
(44:39) KYC/AML requirements vary for different issuers and money markets
(45:20) Real world assets in DeFi are a hybrid of centralized and decentralized
(46:59) Gabriel Shapiro's tweet - 3 types of RWAs that exist
(48:29) Scott's role as a builder of infrastructure for real world assets
(48:42) Discussion about representing builders
(49:48) The difference between tokenizing stocks and US Treasuries
(51:05) Excitement about tokenizing specific asset classes
(54:24) Question about the demand for on-chain T-bills
(55:45) Underground trading groups and interest rates as a tailwind for DeFi
(57:28) Discussion on the demand for traditional assets in DeFi
(59:55) Bullish or bearish on tokenizing real estate?
(01:00:11) Uncertainty about tokenizing precious metals and collectibles
(01:00:29) Pokemon cards and Magic: The Gathering cards discussed
(01:02:05) Speculators vs end collectors in the collectibles market
(01:02:46) Making access to real world assets easier
(01:05:38) Debate on the importance of real world assets in crypto
(01:08:36) Demand and cost efficiencies driving real world asset tokenization
(01:12:01) The next asset class that is most likely to get tokenized and succeed on-chain
(01:13:31) Music NFTs and their potential in the market
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