logo
episode-header-image
Jul 2024
54m 46s

Breaking Up with Capitalism w/ Malaika J...

UPSTREAM
About this episode

As socialists in the United States one of our most important tasks—at least under our current material conditions—is to raise class consciousness among the mass of people: the basic work of tuning people in to the existence of structures and systems that define and limit our lives. 

As much as we on the left might take these things for granted, it's always important to remember that many, many folks out there don't think of the world in terms of socialism, capitalism, Marx, Engels—certainly not the relations of production under monopoly capitalism. But that doesn't mean they don't get it. If you live under capitalism, you get it. If not theoretically or in terms of political analysis, you get it because you might hate your boss, or your landlord, or you might wish you could spend more of your day watching your kids grow up, or you might have had to skip a pill here or there because you couldn't afford refills from the pharmacy. Most people get it. They just might not have an ideological framework within which to situate their frustration, their anger, their sadness, their hopelessness.  

So, in light of this, sometimes it's helpful for us to frame issues of anti-capitalism and socialism in ways that are easily relatable and accessible. This is what our guest in today's episode has accomplished in her latest book, which uses relationship analogies to provide you with everything you need to know about what a healthy relationship with our political economy could actually look like, issue by issue—from healthcare and housing to the whole concept of American democracy. Malaika Jabali is an award-winning journalist, policy attorney, life-long socialist, and author of the book, It's Not You, It's Capitalism: Why It's Time to Break Up and How to Move On. In this conversation we have a wide-ranging discussion about raising class consciousness, Malaika's organizing work in the midwest and the deep south, what different visions of socialism look like, and why it's not too late to break up with your toxic partner and begin a new, thriving relationship with your new boo: socialism.

Further resources:

Related episodes:

Intermission music: "Cost of Living" by Mom Friend

Cover artwork: Kayla E.

This episode of Upstream is brought to you in part by Alluvium Gatherings. Alluvium Gatherings designs, plans, and produces events for social and environmental justice movements that allow people to come together to solve the challenges of our time. Learn more at alluviumgatherings.com

Upstream is a labor of love — we couldn't keep this project going without the generosity of our listeners and fans. Subscribe to our Patreon at patreon.com/upstreampodcast or please consider chipping in a one-time or recurring donation at www.upstreampodcast.org/support

If your organization wants to sponsor one of our upcoming documentaries, we have a number of sponsorship packages available. Find out more at  upstreampodcast.org/sponsorship

For more from Upstream, visit www.upstreampodcast.org and follow us on TwitterInstagram, Facebook, and Bluesky.

You can also subscribe to us on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to your favorite podcasts.

Up next
Nov 18
From the Frontlines: Tenant Organizing w/ Josh Poe and Tara Raghuveer
<p>In this episode, part of our ongoing From the Frontlines series, <a href="https://x.com/taraghuveer?lang=en">Tara Raghuveer</a> and Josh Poe join us for a conversation about tenant organizing. Tara Raghuveer is a tenant organizer with KC Tenants based in Kansas City, Missouri ... Show More
1h 5m
Nov 11
[TEASER] Imperialism in the Twenty-First Century w/ John Smith
This is a free preview of the episode "Imperialism in the Twenty-First Century w/ John Smith." You can listen to the full episode by subscribing to our Patreon here: https://www.patreon.com/upstreampodcast As a Patreon subscriber you'll get access to at least one bonus episode a ... Show More
25m 7s
Nov 4
China Pt. 8: Mao Zedong and Maoism with Yueran Zhang
In Part 8 of our ongoing series on China we're joined by Yueren Zhang to discuss Mao Zedong and the political philosophy of Maoism. Yueran Zhang is Assistant Professor in the department of sociology at the University of Chicago. He specializes in the comparative studies of capita ... Show More
1h 37m
Recommended Episodes
Mar 2025
Pure Excess: Capitalism, Commodity Fetishism, and the Promise of More
<p>Todd McGowan joins the show once again, this time to discuss his newest book <a href= "https://cup.columbia.edu/book/pure-excess/9780231217590">"Pure Excess: Capitalism and the Commodity".</a> Together, he and Breht discuss commodity fetishism, the tensions between Marxism and ... Show More
1h 28m
Jun 2025
Anti-Capitalist Parenting: A Dialectical Perspective w/ Breht O'Shea (Upstream Podcast)
<p>One of the most radical things you can do is live your life in direct opposition to the forces that control our society. Not just fighting for policies or organizing your community, although those are certainly important parts of it, but also living with values that oppose the ... Show More
2h 12m
Feb 2025
VULTURE CAPITALISM UNVEILED: Grace Blakeley on the Oligarchs' Grip on Our Economy
In this episode, Max and Nafkote interview Grace Blakeley, an economist and author, about the rise of oligarchy and the relationship between billionaires, corporations, and the state.Grace discusses the close relationship between the American political establishment and the billi ... Show More
24m 5s
May 2025
[BEST OF] Estranged Labor: Karl Marx on Alienation
<p><em><strong>ORIGINALLY RELEASED Apr 4, 2020</strong></em></p> <p class="" data-start="140" data-end="788">In this solo episode, Breht breaks down Karl Marx's powerful concept of alienation from his <em data-start="247" data-end="293">Economic and Philosophic Manuscripts of 184 ... Show More
22m 13s
Aug 1
Classic Debate: To Stop Climate Collapse, We Must End Capitalism
Capitalism is driving us to disaster. Our planet is heading for a terrifying environmental cataclysm – and our economic system is responsible. The defining characteristic of capitalism is perpetual economic growth. And while it has brought us wonderful benefits, including improve ... Show More
1h 9m
Jun 2024
Episode #202 ... Why we can't think beyond capitalism. - Neoliberalism (Mark Fisher, Capitalist Realism)
Today we begin our discussion on the work of Mark Fisher surrounding his concept of Capitalism Realism. We talk about the origins of Neoliberalism, it's core strategies, some critiques of Neoliberalism, and the hyperfocus on individualism and competition that has come to define a ... Show More
35m 16s
May 2024
A Marxist Critique of Capitalism for 2024 [May 2024]
A Marxist Critique of Capitalism for 2024 - Core Issues: Labor, Surplus, Exploitation - Inequality and Injustice - Instability: Cycles and Crises - Alternatives to Capitalism Co-sponsored by Democracy at Work and Left Forum Special messages to our audience: Please help sponsor Gl ... Show More
59m 11s
Jan 2025
Imperialism: The Highest Stage of Capitalism (Upstream)
<p>Alyson and Breht were invited to join <a href= "https://www.upstreampodcast.org/">Robbie on the Upstream podcast</a> to talk about Lenin's "Imperialism: The Highest Stage of Capitalism". </p> <p>Capitalism, imperialism, monopoly—far from being separate concepts that just happe ... Show More
2h 8m
Oct 3
We All Need To Make Money and Interact With Capitalism. Is There a Non-Icky Way To Do It? | David Gelles
<p dir="ltr">A playbook for finding financial success without compromising your values.</p> <p><strong> </strong></p> <p dir="ltr">David Gelles is a bestselling author and a climate correspondent for The New York Times. His new book, "<a href= "https://www.amazon.com/Dirtbag-Bill ... Show More
50m 9s
Feb 2025
Red Hot Take: Dialectics at the Dawn of Techno-Feudalism
Breht discusses American Capitalism's Death Drive Accelerationism, how the only path that's left for capitalism is to return us to fuedalism "at a higher level", how dialactics plays out in this context, and why the purposeful cultivation of inner silence and stillness and love i ... Show More
31m 55s