POLITICO Energy host Alex Guillén sits down for an extended conversation with David Doniger, a prominent environmental lawyer with the Natural Resources Defense Council who argued a fateful case before the Supreme Court that established the Chevron deference doctrine. They discuss how a Supreme Court ruling expected in the coming weeks about that legal precedent could make it much more difficult for the Environmental Protection Agency and other federal agencies to defend their regulations — part of the broader partisan war over the administrative state.

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