Chatted with John Schulman (cofounded OpenAI and led ChatGPT creation) on how post-training tames the shoggoth & enabled GPT-4o, AI coworkers in 1-2 years, the plan if AGI comes in 2025, reasoning traces, long horizon RL, & multimodal agents.
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Timestamps
(00:00:00) - Pre-training, post-training, and future capabilities
(00:16:57) - Plan for AGI 2025
(00:29:19) - Teaching models to reason
(00:40:50) - The Road to ChatGPT
(00:52:13) - What makes for a good RL researcher?
(01:00:58) - Keeping humans in the loop
(01:15:15) - State of research, plateaus, and moats
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