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Apr 2024
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DOJ vs Data Espionage

JORDAN SCHNEIDER
About this episode

The DOJ is now charged with protecting American data from foreign adversaries. This new proposed rule they recently issued is, according to one observer, “one of the most ambitious and sweeping new initiatives in national security law over the past few years.”

To discuss, we interviewed Devin DeBacker and Lee Licata of the Department of Justice’s National Security Division.

We get into:

  • How adversaries plan to weaponize obscure data types — including geolocation data, DNA sequencing, and undersea cable transmissions;
  • How China managed to purchase genomic data on millions of Americans through healthcare investments;
  • Why black box data brokers keep records of who goes to casinos;
  • How the DOJ plans to protect your data, and whether their plans can be thwarted by gridlock in Congress.


I’m excited to introduce a partnership with Policyware to bring affordable, expert-driven policy education to my audience. Starting May 14, Samm Sacks will be teaching a deep dive into China’s Digital Governance and its Global Implications.

Samm is an old friend of mine and a Senior Fellow at Yale Law School’s Paul Tsai China Center. She is a leading expert on China’s cybersecurity legal system, the U.S.-China technology relationship, and the geopolitics of data privacy and cross-border data flows. Check out below a show I did with Samm on ChinaTalk discussing China’s digital governance.

You’ll learn over several weeks as Samm delivers live classes, with options to listen on your own time. Policyware Deep Dives are designed to be attended alongside your job, and they will help you organize with your employer for cost sharing. Check out the show we did together on data issues late last year.

Help support ChinaTalk by registering for the deep dive here and thank you to Policyware for sponsoring today’s episode.

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