Abraham Lincoln is often thought of as the most loved president in America's history, but how much do we know about his personal life?
Furthermore, how much do we know about his sexuality, and the potential he might have been gay?
Joining Kate today are Callie Hawkins and Joan Cummins, who work at Lincoln Cottage, where he lived for over a quarter of his presidency.
They also host their podcast, Q&Abe, which covers questions that visitors to the cottage often ask them, including whether he was gay or not.
This podcast was edited and produced by Stuart Beckwith. The senior producer was Charlotte Long.
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