logo
episode-header-image
Nov 2023
1h 27m

33: The Problem with Empathy feat. Jade ...

Patrick & Abby
About this episode

Abby and Patrick welcome Jade E. Davis, author of the new book The Other Side of Empathy. They discuss Jade’s critique of naïve notions of “empathy” and what she calls “empathy culture.” They examine the ways empathy can flatten suffering, demand particular performances of suffering, and serve fantasies that there’s one “right way” to suffer and that the Other can always be assimilated into the self. Other topics include Davis’ genealogy of the term “empathy” and how its history is more recent than many might think; the fundamentally colonial aspects of the empathetic gaze; human zoos and some of their contemporary equivalents; and the influences of Edith Stein and Frantz Fanon on her work. They also explore the implications of her thinking on how scholars ought to work with images and the possible real-world effects of such activities and why we can – and in fact must – judge history by our contemporary standards, since history’s standards are never simply past.

Jade E. Davis’ The Other Side of Empathy (2023).

Jade E. Davis' website and links to her other writing are here.

Jade E. Davis’s zine, Empathy as an Ideology can be found (and printed!) here.

Have you noticed that Freud is back? Got questions about psychoanalysis? Or maybe you’ve traversed the fantasy and lived to tell the tale? Leave us a voicemail! 484 775-0107

A podcast about psychoanalysis, politics, pop culture, and the ways we suffer now. New episodes on Saturdays. Follow us on social media:

Linktree: https://linktr.ee/OrdinaryUnhappiness
Twitter: @UnhappinessPod
Instagram: @OrdinaryUnhappiness
Patreon: patreon.com/OrdinaryUnhappiness

Theme song:
Formal Chicken - Gnossienne No. 1
https://open.spotify.com/album/2MIIYnbyLqriV3vrpUTxxO
Provided by Fruits Music

Up next
Jul 5
Episode 106: Abortion, Agency, and Protest feat. Hilary Plum
Abby and Patrick sit down with writer Hilary Plum to discuss her remarkable new book, State Champ. A novel at which the politics of abortion stand at the center, but far from a didactically “political novel,” State Champ gives the three an opportunity to explore a suite of deeply ... Show More
1h 34m
Jun 21
105: Standard Edition Volume 2 Part 3: Studies on Hysteria, Part III: Four Versions of Anna O. Teaser
Subscribe to get access to the full episode, the episode reading list, and all premium episodes! www.patreon.com/OrdinaryUnhappinessAbby, Patrick, and Dan return to the first case study in Studies On Hysteria (1895). But while previously they examined the case of “Anna O.” as tol ... Show More
5m 51s
Jun 14
104: Manufacturing Homelessness feat. Brian Goldstone
Abby and Patrick welcome journalist and anthropologist Brian Goldstone to discuss his new book, There is No Place for Us: Working and Homeless in America. A devastating and essential read, There is No Place for Us tells the stories of five Atlanta families as they join the ranks ... Show More
1h 50m
Recommended Episodes
Jun 2024
200. What’s the Difference Between Empathy and Sympathy?
Can you ever really know how another person feels? What’s the best way to support a grieving person? And why doesn’t Hallmark sell empathy cards?  SOURCES:Daniel Batson, professor emeritus of psychology at the University of Kansas.Paul Bloom, professor of psychology at University ... Show More
40m 48s
May 12
Ep. 366: Edith Stein on Empathy (Part Two)
Continuing on The Problem of Empathy. What does it mean to say that we know other people's mental states "non-primordially"? We talk about Stein's project of explaining how empathy is possible, what it gets us, and how her answers differ from Scheler's. Get more at partiallyexami ... Show More
50m 11s
Sep 2024
Talking Shit with Elizabeth Oldfield: On Becoming Fully Alive
In Episode 71, we are joined by Elizabeth Oldfield, a writer, thinker, bridge builder, and Christian working out of the UK. We discuss her new book Fully Alive, and the rich worldview which underlies it. Elizabeth challenges us to live our principles in our daily lives, and to ex ... Show More
1h 11m
Oct 2024
Jamie Lee Curtis: Unfiltered on Hollywood, Healing, and Finding Perspective
Jamie Lee Curtis joins Jon Bernthal for a conversation that begins with Jamie discussing her role in the film "Borderlands," touching on the unusual character trait of objectum sexuality. The discussion then shifts to Jamie's personal journey with addiction and recovery. She cand ... Show More
1h 23m
Apr 15
Special: Elisabeth Kubler-Ross Is Dying
From October 9, 1997: Oprah talks with author and psychiatrist Elisabeth Kubler-Ross about her autobiography, Wheel of Life. A pioneer in death and dying studies, Elisabeth shares the greatest lessons she’s learned from those who are dying, how she is welcoming death at the end o ... Show More
31m 31s
Nov 2024
408 Joe Rogan Experience Review of JD Vance Et al.
Useful links to books related to the episodes: Hillbilly Elegy: A Memoir of a Family and Culture in Crisis by JD Vance https://amzn.to/48ztT22 (Amazon) Explores Vance’s early life, family, and cultural background, offering context for his perspectives on politics and society. Cyn ... Show More
47m 28s
Aug 2024
Changes Focus: Dealing with Grief - Cariad Lloyd, Grace Dent, Yebba, Jack Rooke
In this episode of Changes Focus we’re zooming in on a big change that we will probably all experience at some point - grief. Grief shapes us in different ways and hearing other people’s experiences of how they have coped with their loss can help in moving through our own. In thi ... Show More
24m 14s
Feb 2025
CAT BURNS: AUTISM MADE ME FEEL I WAS DOING LIFE WRONG
Cat Burns released a song on TikTok during lockdown, and quickly rose to becoming one of the UK’s best-selling female artists and a three-time BRIT Award nominee. At just 24, her success is remarkable, but what struck me most was her wisdom and self-awareness. As someone who is a ... Show More
1h 6m
May 9
The Global Empathy Crisis No One Talks About | Mimi Nicklin on Loneliness, Leadership & Listening
What does it take to truly listen, understand, and create meaningful connections in today's fast-paced world? In this episode of Luca's Insight Track, Luca Allam sits down with Mimi Nicklin, a global expert on empathy, a bestselling author, and a transformational speaker, for a d ... Show More
1h 17m
Sep 2024
Is Suffering Inevitable?
In this episode of Understanding Men, Luke and Fraser get spiritual and take a look at the Buddhist First Noble Truth, which refers to the 'suffering' or 'unsatisfactoriness' of life. Inspired by previous episodes, contributors, and recent stories they have shared - they discuss ... Show More
52m 29s