This episode contains strong language and scenes of war that some may find distressing.

In 2010, James Dao, then a military affairs reporter for The New York Times, began following a battalion of U.S. soldiers headed for Afghanistan.

Two soldiers caught his attention: Adrian Bonenberger, a single, 32-year-old captain, and Tamara Sullivan, a 30-year-old sergeant and mother of two.

As President Biden prepares to withdraw troops from Afghanistan this fall, we revisit those interviews and follow up with the two soldiers.

Guest: James Dao, the Metro editor for The New York Times.

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Background reading:

In 2010, over the course of the year, James followed one battalion’s wrenching deployment to Afghanistan. Read the beginning of his reporting here.
An exploration of how decisions weighed heavily on Adrian Bonenberger, a junior officer.
In 2011, after a year in combat, there were many unexpected perils of coming home.

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Two Soldiers, Ten Years