logo
episode-header-image
Mar 2023
3m 10s

Vishy Tirupattur: The Coming Challenges ...

MORGAN STANLEY
About this episode


Against the backdrop of volatility in the banking sector, tightening in consumer and commercial credit may have far-reaching impacts for economic growth.


----- Transcript -----


Welcome to Thoughts on the Market. I'm Vishy Tirupattur, Chief Fixed Income Strategist here at Morgan Stanley. Along with my colleagues, bringing you a variety of perspectives, I'll be talking about the impact of the current volatility in the banking sector on credit. It's Tuesday, March 21st at 11 a.m. in New York. 


On the back of the developments over the last two weeks, our banking analysts see a meaningful increase in funding costs ahead, which should lead to tighter lending standards, lower loan growth and wider loan spreads. Our economists were already expecting a meaningful slowdown in growth and job gains over the coming months, and the prospect of incremental tightening of credit conditions raises the risk that a soft landing turns into a harder one. 


According to the U.S. Small Business Administration, small businesses are those that employ fewer than 500 workers, and between 1995 and 2021, they accounted for nearly 63% of the net new job creation. Today, nearly 47% of all private sector employees work at small businesses. In the banking sector, small banks account for 38% of total loans in the U.S. and 30% of commercial and industrial loans. Businesses rely on C&I loans for short term funding of activities such as hiring, paying workers, purchasing supplies, equipment and building inventories. 


We now expect this C&I lending to slow down the most based on our prior experience. We also expect that lending to commercial real estate sector to decline given the stresses that are building over there. On the other hand, we are looking for lending to consumer to grow, but more slowly than what we thought before. 


Beyond their normal lending activity, banks enable credit formation in the economy by being buyers of senior tranches of securitized credit, providing senior leverage to securitization vehicles, which is a major source of credit formation. Well, we don't exactly know how bank regulations will change in response to the developments of last two weeks, there is the potential for bank sponsorship of securitized credit to diminish and thus indirectly affect credit formation. 


From a corporate bond investor perspective, the view has been that the banking sector fundamentals have been in a good place, and last year's underperformance versus non financials was largely a technical story. The developments of the last two weeks have undermined this thesis. Looking beyond the near-term uncertainty, we believe that the supply risks in bank credit are now skewed to the upside. The emphasis on funding diversity shifting away from deposits to wholesale funding is likely to keep regional bank issuance elevated for much longer. While the Bank Term Funding Program (BTFP) may alleviate the urgency to issue these bonds, it by no means provides a permanent solution. So looking beyond the near-term uncertainty, new assurance from banks, regional banks in particular, is likely to persist. 


Given that the sector was a consensus overweight and is also likely to see more supply when markets normalize, we see continued volatility and increased tiering within bank credit. 


Thanks for listening. If you enjoy the show, please leave us a review on Apple Podcasts and share Thoughts on the Market with a friend or colleague today.

Up next
Today
The Future Reckoning of Tariff Escalation
The ultimate market outcomes of President Trump’s tactical tariff escalation may be months away. Our Global Head of Fixed Income Research and Public Policy Strategy Michael Zezas takes a look at implications for investors now.Read more insights from Morgan Stanley.----- Transcrip ... Show More
3m 52s
Yesterday
Are Foreign Investors Fleeing U.S. Assets?
Our Chief Cross-Asset Strategist Serena Tang discusses whether demand for U.S. stocks has fallen and where fund flows are surging. Read more insights from Morgan Stanley.----- Transcript -----Serena Tang: Welcome to Thoughts on the Market. I’m Serena Tang, Morgan Stanley’s Chief ... Show More
4m 56s
Jul 8
How AI Is Disrupting Defense
Arushi Agarwal from the European Sustainability Strategy team and Aerospace & Defense Analyst Ross Law unpack what a reshaped defense industry means for sustainability, ethics and long-term investment strategy.Read more insights from Morgan Stanley.----- Transcript -----Ross Law: ... Show More
9m 33s
Recommended Episodes
Apr 2023
Navigating the ‘perfect storm’ in commercial real estate
The recent stress in the banking sector appears to have abated but there are knock-on effects that are pressuring a key corner of the economy: commercial real estate. So could commercial real estate be the next possible crisis? In the latest episode of Exchanges at Goldman Sachs, ... Show More
28m 22s
Mar 2023
What the banking turmoil means for investors’ portfolios
Since the failure of Silicon Valley Bank, investors are closely watching how stress in the financial sector is spreading through markets and the economy. With First Republic Bank and Credit Suisse making headlines, policymakers are examining what they can do to steady markets and ... Show More
24m 24s
Dec 2023
Private Debt ‘Tourists’ May Do Bad Deals; Bank Outlook
New entrants to the rapidly-growing private credit market, scrambling to deploy capital as demand exceeds supply, risk making loans that don’t perform well, according to Alan Schrager, senior partner and portfolio manager at Oak Hill Advisors. “You sort of love private credit tou ... Show More
51m 56s
Apr 2023
Here Are the Signs of a Slow-Moving Credit Crunch
The big headlines from March's banking crisis have receded and balances at some of the Federal Reserve's emergency lending facilities, like the discount window, are starting to fall. But if you look closely, there are still signs of strain in the depths of the financial system. A ... Show More
45m 51s
Mar 2023
UBS On-Air: Paul Donovan Daily Audio 'Limbo dancing'
Economics now enters a limbo period. The data flow that we get over the next few weeks relates to the period before the recent financial volatility. There is considerable uncertainty over how the real economy is affected by that volatility. The optimistic case is that larger bank ... Show More
4m 21s
Oct 2023
Performing Credit Quarterly 3Q2023: Tails, You Lose?
In the latest Performing Credit Quarterly, Oaktree argues that investors analyzing today’s leveraged credit markets should focus less on average risk and more on tail risk, as this segment of the market is currently much more vulnerable than usual. Armen Panossian (Head of Perfor ... Show More
41m 8s
Nov 2022
Where Will The Job Losses Come From?
We are reading the headlines about layoffs that have started across corporate America. Twitter made headlines this week. But then anything involving Elon is making headlines these days. Even Facebook parent Meta is expected to lay off thousands after hiring nearly 42,000 employee ... Show More
7m 16s
Oct 2023
Mortgage Bonds Blow Up; Banks Feel Regulatory Heat
The $8 trillion mortgage-bond market plunged to levels rarely seen since the global financial crisis as Treasury yields surged. To analyze why and what’s next, we’re joined by Christopher Maloney, mortgage strategist at BOK Financial Capital Markets, and Bloomberg News reporter S ... Show More
37m 45s
May 2024
Extra Credit: Can Private Credit Weather the Storm?
In this episode of Extra Credit, Danilo Rippa, Head of Multi-Strategy Credit at Man Group is joined by Kevin Marchetti, co-Head of Direct Lending and Chief Credit Officer, and Zeshan Ashfaque, Senior Credit Officer at Man Varagon. Private credit has grown significantly over the p ... Show More
19m 50s
Jun 2023
Invisible Counter Party Risk
The Wall Street Journal finally reported on something that investors and lenders have known for more than nine months.  The rapid rise in interest rates has created a structural problem for commercial real estate.  The issue goes far beyond the headline that nearly $1.5T in comme ... Show More
5m 27s