A quick look at the history of building web apps, followed by a discussion of htmx and how it compares to both modern and traditional ways of building.

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Featuring:

chg – Twitter, GitHub
Chris James – Twitter, GitHub
David Wickes – Twitter, GitHub
Jon Calhoun – Twitter, GitHub, Website

Show Notes:

Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!

Timestamps:

(00:00) - It's Go Time!
(00:50) - Welcoming our guests
(02:02) - Carson's web dev backstory
(04:57) - Chris's web dev backstory
(08:31) - The Flash days
(11:14) - "Modern" web apps
(14:31) - Building modern web apps
(21:32) - On full-stack development
(24:24) - On knowing the whole story
(28:56) - Sponsor: Changelog++
(29:51) - What is htmx?
(33:17) - Hypermedia and REST
(42:30) - Comparing hypermedia to OOP
(45:32) - Downsides of the hypermedia approach
(49:05) - Sponsor: JS Party
(50:35) - How to get into htmx
(52:47) - The panel's first impressions of htmx
(57:27) - It's time for Unpopular Opinions!
(58:06) - David's unpop (theory)
(1:03:27) - Chris's unpop
(1:08:38) - Carson's unpop
(1:14:41) - Time to Go!
(1:15:03) - Outro