This conversation with Anna Williams and Regan Smurthwaite is one of a 5-part International Evaluation Podcast series sponsored by the American Evaluation Association and the American Journal of Evaluation. Zenda Ofir and Deborah Rugg interview Anna and Regan about their article based on lessons learned in the Climate Investment Funds (CIF) efforts in advancing evaluation and learning on transformational change. Their article can be accessed in Volume 42, Issue 1 of the AJE.