logo
episode-header-image
Apr 2021
43m 48s

Something Far Greater Than This

RNZ
About this episode

How do we search for something we've never seen? The last episode of the series sees the Arif whānau reflect on their years in Aotearoa and dream of a better future.

How do we search for something we've never seen? The last episode of the series sees the Arif whānau reflect on their years in Aotearoa and dream of a better future.

The Arif whānau settled in Kirikiriroa in the 1990s. Dad Mahmud is originally from Iraq, with Turkish heritage, and his wife Mayssaa is Syrian and Egyptian.

Their daughter Shayma'a is one of six children, and joins them on the last episode of the series. Shayma'a lives and works in Te Whanganui-a-Tara as a human rights lawyer. Mahmud recently retired and Mayssaa volunteers in many capacities, working with the refugee community and supporting the local Arab community in Waikato.

This episode dives into feelings of loss that can be hard to define or give voice to, particularly the loss of home. The family discuss being unable to visit either Iraq or Syria - Iraq because of Mahmud's family's background in politics, and Syria because of the ongoing war and humanitarian crisis.

Shayma'a pins down one thing about separation from home which she has found particularly unsettling, saying, "I feel like I really wanted to see Syria, but now it's too late.

"I see all these white people going there all the time. I always see on YouTube all these Europeans going to Syria and visiting, even during the war, but they're fine and they enjoy it. This is what I get really sad about. How come they get to go back to our homelands and enjoy our countries, but we're not allowed to go and enjoy our own countries?"

Mahmud initially came to Aotearoa as a skilled migrant with years of experience as a dermatologist, but according to New Zealand's laws around doctors with foreign licences practising here, was unable to work in the field he specialises in.

For the last 12 years, he has been travelling back and forth from Aotearoa to the United Arab Emirates, working as a dermatologist there and returning to be with whānau here when he can. The fractured living and working environment and disruption to his family life has not been easy for Mahmud.

"I'm not regretting coming here, but I'm disappointed," he says.

Mayssa and Mahmud have their two youngest daughters still living with them in Kirikiriroa, and now that Mahmud is retired, they hope he is able to spend more time with his whānau.

In this last episode of Conversations with My Immigrant Parents, the discussion explores how differently immigrants and refugees experience Aotearoa, displacement, grief, having children, and kittens…

Go to this episode on rnz.co.nz for more details

Up next
May 2023
None of Us Know
Both Mahe and his dad Tui were raised by their Tongan grandmothers. In the last episode of the series, father and son discuss namesakes, queerness, and parenting through fear and uncertainty.Content warning: This episode contains reference to domestic violence and discussion of l ... Show More
53m 5s
Apr 2023
Crying from Up in the Sky [English Dub]
Hương fell pregnant at 20, but she didn't know it was twins until it was time to push. In this bilingual episode, she talks with her daughters Hà and Ly about dependence, marriage, and homecomings.This episode is available both in the original Vietnamese and with an English dub.W ... Show More
34m 25s
Apr 2023
Crying from Up in the Sky [Vietnamese]
Hương fell pregnant at 20, but she didn't know it was twins until it was time to push. In this bilingual episode, she talks with her daughters Hà and Ly about dependence, marriage, and homecomings.This episode is available both in the original Vietnamese and with an English dub.W ... Show More
34m 26s
Recommended Episodes
Dec 2024
Wendy Pearlman, "The Home I Worked to Make: Voices from the New Syrian Diaspora" (Liveright, 2024)
War forced millions of Syrians from their homes. It also forced them to rethink the meaning of home itself.In 2011, Syrians took to the streets demanding freedom. Brutal government repression transformed peaceful protests into one of the most devastating conflicts of our times, k ... Show More
1h 7m
Dec 2024
The Syrian dream rises from the ashes of Assad’s nightmare | Waad al-Kateab
Two years after our conversation with Waad al-Kateab about the desperate plight of Syrian refugees, we return to have a very different conversation. Less than a week after the dramatic and unexpected collapse of Bashar al-Assad’s brutal reign, Syrians are beginning to dream once ... Show More
27m 29s
Dec 2020
My 2020: Sultan Al Qassemi
The worlds of academia and the arts were greatly impacted by the Covid-19 pandemic. Sultan Al Qassemi, one of the most established authorities on Middle East arts and the visiting senior lecturer at the American University of Paris, speaks of how Covid-19 changed his life, and ch ... Show More
25m 36s
Jul 2024
Circling Home: Lessons From 15 Years Living Abroad With Terry Repak
When Terry Repak and her husband moved to West Africa with two small children at the height of the AIDS epidemic in the 1990s, she seized the opportunity to connect with people of other cultures and bear witness to the ravages of the disease. Today, Terry shares what she learned ... Show More
1h 6m
Sep 2020
Five Month War
Leaving behind everything he'd ever known to help people struggling in his community wasn't something Abubakar (Abs) expected to do in his early twenties. But when war broke out in his hometown he had no other choice."It was a mixed emotion," says Abubakar Basman of the decision ... Show More
25m 18s
Jan 2025
Volunteering for Freedom
As a young man, Mohammed, AKA MFA Zaman, arrived in Britain from Bangladesh with a working visa, a patron and a job lined up as a chef. On arrival though, the promises of a bright future turned to ashes when he became a victim of modern slavery. But at this lowest of low ebbs in ... Show More
28m 49s
Sep 2024
Disillusioned Musical Session | Ayelet & Elik's Anti-War Songs
As the genocide in Gaza continues, we felt there is a need for Jewish, Israeli voices who oppose it. Music is our way of expressing this. For the people of Gaza, for the Palestinian people, and for our own humanity. **** This is a bonus episode of the podcast 'Disillusioned. I re ... Show More
46m 10s
Jul 2020
How Do You Go On?
How do you go on after you've lost a child? Kate and Sam and three other mum's who also lost babies describe different grieving processes, the deep lows and the things that lightened the burden.Content warning: This podcast contains graphic descriptions that some people might fin ... Show More
37m 56s
Dec 2024
The Japanese art of happiness: From ikigai, to ritual, to embracing old age
*This episode originally aired on July 23, 2023. Navigating the relentless pace of the modern world often means being bombarded by daily distractions, sleep deprived and perhaps a little stressed or anxious. It’s not easy. When it comes to looking for a moment of reflection and r ... Show More
53m 59s
May 2024
Endurance runner Imo Boddy, love bombing, fake food artist
The endurance runner Imo Boddy has smashed the 45-year-old world record and become the fastest known woman to complete the UK Three Peaks. She joins Nuala McGovern live on the programme.Do you know what love bombing is? One of our Woman’s Hour listeners Lynn got in touch to say i ... Show More
56m 5s