In this extensive dialogue between Dr. Brian Besong and Steven Nemes we discuss whether theology can be done -- or even should be done -- without anathemas. Leading up is a discussion of phenomenology, epistemology, eating racoons, ethics, and a whole bunch else aside. Good luck to anybody who gets through this episode, it's long (3+ hours), weird (talk of orgies and eating racoons), and abstract (lots of epistemology), but tons of fun!